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印尼网民评论:印尼华为工厂有25%的非法外籍员工

2013-03-17 00:02 24个评论 字号:

2012年11月29日,300多人在华为的雅加达公司外进行大规模示威。示威者在印尼银行(BRI)大楼前,抗议华为公司的外包制度,并要求撤离非法外劳。根据数据,华为在印尼的工厂有25%员工是非法外劳。华为科技投资的外籍员工数量是此次工人示威抗议的引爆点之一。华为的当地工会表示,至少有1000位无工作签证的非法外劳在这家中国电信巨头工作。本地员工和外籍劳工之间的福利差距很大,这次示威就是为了向管理层施压,让他们看清,如果没有本地员工,他们会很无助。

译者:覺悟的劍
译文来源:三泰虎 http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-3804-1-1.html

华为的印尼员工抗议

华为的印尼员工抗议

1000 Pegawai Huawei Indonesia adalah Tenaga Kerja Asing ILegal
1000 of Huawei Indonesia Employees are Illegal Foreign Workers

华为的印尼雇员有1000人是非法雇佣的外籍员工。

Banyaknya karyawan asing di Huawei Tech Investment menjadi salah satu pemicu pecahnya demo karyawan. Menurut Serikat Pekerja Huawei, setidaknya ada 1.000 pegawai ilegal yang tak memiliki izin kerja di perusahaan infrastruktur telekomunikasi raksasa asal China tersebut.

The number of foreign employees at Huawei Tech Investment was one of the triggers for the outbreak of worker demonstrations and protests. According to Huawei’s local union, there are at least 1,000 illegal employees who do not have a work permit working in this giant Chinese telecommunications company.

华为科技投资的外籍员工数量是此次工人示威抗议的引爆点之一。华为的当地工会表示,至少有1000位无工作签证的非法外劳在这家中国电信巨头工作。

‘Dari 1.300 karyawan asing di Huawei sedikitnya ada 1.000 TKA ilegal dari China. Kami punya bukti dokumennya,’ ketus Ketua Serikat Pekerja Huawei Heru Krisnamurti yang ditemui di sela demo di Gedung BRI 2, Jakarta.

“Of 1,300 foreign employees in Huawei, at least 1,000 are illegal foreign workers from China. We have documentation as proof,” shouted Huawei’s employee union leader Krisnamurti Heru, who confirmed this allegation during the demonstration at BRI Building 2, Jakarta.

“在华为的1300位外籍员工中,至少1000位是来自中国的非法外劳。我们有文件可作证明”,华为工会领袖Krisnamurti Heru大声斥责,他在雅加达BRI二号大楼的示威期间证实了该说法。

Ia pun memaparkan, para ekspatriat ilegal ini bisa bekerja hanya bermodalkan KITAS dan Visa turis. ‘Mereka merasa kalau sudah ada KITAS sudah bisa kerja, padahal itu cuma VISA kunjungan saja. Mereka memanipulasi,’ tuding Heru.

He also explained that these illegal expatriates are working only with the use of semi-permanent stay permits and tourist visas. “They think they are permitted to work if they have semi-permanent stay permits, but that’s not the case since it’s only a visa for visiting purposes. Thus, it is obvious that they are manipulating the situation here,” explained Heru.

他还解释道,这些非法外派人员靠半永久居留证和旅游签证在这里工作。”他们以为有了半永久居留证就可以工作,但情况并非如此,那些只是用于观光用途的签证。因此,他们明显在操纵这里的形势。”

(注:印尼签证semi-permanent stay permit可申请三种:12个月、18个月、30个月)

印尼员工抗议华为外包

印尼员工抗议华为外包

Huawei sendiri memiliki sekitar 4.000 pekerja untuk menggarap proyek telekomunikasinya di seluruh Indonesia. Namun sayangnya, dari sekitar 2.500 orang lokal, kata Heru, 70%-75% di antaranya cuma pegawai kontrak dan outsourcing.

Huawei has about 4,000 employees working on various telecommunications projects throughout Indonesia. But unfortunately, out of these 2,500 local people, 70%-75% of these people are only contractors and part of outsourcing.

华为有大约4000位员工工作在印尼的不同电信项目上。不幸地是,在2500位本地员工中,70%到75%的人只是契约工或服务于外包业务。

‘Ini yang sedang kami perjuangkan. Banyak kesenjangan antara karyawan lokal dan asing. Aksi demo ini untuk memberi tekanan kepada manajemen bahwa tanpa pegawai lokal mereka juga tidak bisa apa-apa,’ tandasnya.

“This is what we’re still fighting for. There are lots of benefit gaps between the local and foreign employees. This demonstration is to put pressure on management to show them they’ll be helpless without their local employees,“ he said.

“这正是我们仍在抗争的原因。本地员工和外籍劳工之间的福利差距很大,这次示威就是为了向管理层施压,让他们看清,如果没有本地员工,他们会很无助”。

以下是Kaskus印尼网民的评论:

译者:覺悟的劍
译文来源:三泰虎 http://bbs.santaihu.com/thread-3804-1-1.html

Hydrophobic:
koq bisa sampe ribuan gitu gak keahuan? trus tinggalnya dimana ?

How come thousands of them are staying here illegally without ever being noticed? Where do they live anyway?

为什么数千人在这里非法滞留却从未受注意?他们到底住在哪里?

Trinitrotoluene
Gw udah 1,1 tahun di huawei nih. Extended contract ga naik gaji, masih digaji fresh graduate. Tunjangan makan 5 bulan di gugurin dengan peraturan baru Management. =(

I have worked for 1.1 years in Huawei. I received a contract extension without any salary increase and am currently still getting a fresh graduate’s salary. My food allowance was also cancelled after 5 months due to new rules from management. =(

我曾在华为做过1年1个月。我得到了合同续约,但工资未增加,目前还是拿刚毕业时的工资。新的管理规定施行5个月后,我的伙食补助被取消。

Merkavamk4
udah bagus ada perusahaan asing yang mau investasi di indonesia masih didemo pula. Catat aja namanya yang demo terus pecat semua secara tidak hormat!

It’s already good that there is a foreign company that wants to invest in Indonesia, yet their own workers still stage a demonstration protest. Just write down those workers’ names and fire all of them if that’s the case!

有外国公司想在印尼投资已经很好了,工人居然还筹划示威抗议。果真如此的话,把这些工人的名字记下来,统统开除!

Wiki5000
Cina daratan kemampuan nipunya masih top ya gan….

The scamming skill of Chinese mainlanders is the best, boss!

中国大陆人的欺诈术是最棒的,老大!

Jioe88
gue keturunan cina tapi WNI, g sendiri emang ga suka cina daratan…org indo aja yg bodoh mau di bodoh2in sama mereka….cina keturunan sendiri udh banyak yg kapok di tipu cina daratan

I’m an Indonesian-born Chinese but I don’t like Chinese Mainlanders… Some Indonesians are too dumb and are fooled by them over and over again… Lots of Indonesian Chinese have already had enough deceit…

我是印尼华人,但是我不喜欢中国大陆人…一些印尼人太笨了,被他们反复玩弄…很多印尼华人已经受骗够了…

Gorbachev27
mungkin lebih murah kan jadinya bagus

[Huawei] is indeed cheaper and their products look nicer [than more expensive modems]…

华为产品确实便宜,比贵的更好看

Kaskuser.java
ah kata siapa SDM indo kalah sama cina???? ente yakinnn????
Who said the Indonesians’ skill are not comparable with the Chinese? Are you sure?

谁说印尼人的能力比不上中国人?你确定?

Mupengx
moga2 ntar kalo disuruh pulang ke negaranya cuma yang cowo2 aja.
biar ane tetep ada pemandangan klo lg istrirahat

Hopefully, all illegal employees who will be deported are only guys.
So I can still enjoy my break talking to cute Chinese girls. =).

衷心希望,被驱逐出境的非法员工只会有男的。
这样我就可以跟可爱的中国女孩好好聊聊了=)

Andalas1999
para TKA di Indonesia emang kadang kurang bermutu namun bergaji besar, menurut saya harusnya para perusahaan asing imendidik tenaga kerja lokal untuk dapat lebih professional

The Indonesia maids who work abroad still have higher salaries despite having lower skills. I think foreign companies should invest more in local workers so they can become more professional.

在国外工作的印尼女佣尽管能力较低,仍有较高的工资。我认为外国公司应该在当地员工身上投入更多,员工会变得更专业。

Zegler_army
seluruh perusahaan china emang begitu kali, gak hanya huawei aja,..
yang mau masuk huawei banyak tuh (kabarnya sekrang ada rekruitment tuh di salah satu kampus), jadi mereka kayaknya gak takut banyak yang resign.

All companies from China including Huawei are like that.
But lots of people still want to work for Huawei so obviously they wouldn’t care if their current workers plan to resign.

所有来自中国的公司包括华为都像那样。
但是很多人仍想替华为工作,很明显,就算员工计划辞职,他们也不会在意的。

Ariusbhe
Demo karena tdk bs bersaing.

They have demonstration protests since their skills are not comparable [with Huawei’s foreign employees].

由于能力比不上华为的外籍员工,所以他们举行示威抗议。

Yhuyud
sebuah tamparan untuk pemerintah nih, buat melindungi warga negaranya..

This is a big slap to the Indonesian government’s face since they should protect the interest of their own citizens.

这给(印尼)政府打脸了,政府应该保护自己国民的利益。

Nokia_roxy
kalau Huawei aja berani

ada apa dengan tenaga kerja kita ?”>So why is Huawei still importing workers from China?
What’s wrong with our own local workers?

(印尼语:我们劳工出什么问题?)>为什么华为还从中国引进外劳?
我们当地劳工有什么问题?

华为在印尼的产品展示

华为在印尼的产品展示

以下是西方网民的评论:

ddd
HAHAHAHAHA, indons complaining about illegal immigrants, that’s rich.

哈哈哈哈哈,印尼人抱怨非法入境者,很有钱哪。

majumundur
hahahaha, indonesians are good for nothing

哈哈哈,印尼人什么也不会。

majumundur
Indonesian local workers are just good for protesting, doing demonstration and being lazy at work! No wonder more foreign investments go to other countries such as Vietnam, Malaysia and Thailand.

印尼本地劳工最擅长抗议,示威和干活偷懒!难怪越来越多外资跑到其他国家,比如越南、马来西亚和泰国。

madesu
This is a clear statement from Huawei that Mainlander workers’ skill were still superior than Indonesians’. And surely the foreign workers got higher paid cause their productivity was also higher. So if you calculate meticulously, the product cost will be cheaper using foreign workers. Why do you think Huawei products could be so competitive in price?
But 1500 foreign workers out of 4000, is it comply with the regulations? Perhaps Huawei diligently paying tribute to the authorities? I believe so.
And what should be done? Well, cut off the numbers of foreign workers, replace them with locals as permanent workers, and pray Huawei can still competitive on price 😉

华为的声明清楚表明,大陆员工技能仍比印尼人更高。外国劳工拿高工资,是因为生产力较高。如果精打细算,使用外劳会令生产成本较低。你以为华为产品在价格上有竞争优势是为何?
但是4000人中有1500名外劳,符合规定吗?也许华为拼命贿赂当局?我是这样认为的。
该怎么做?削减外劳的数量,用当地长期工取而代之,并且祈祷华为还可以保持价格竞争力。

Bari→madesu
I don’t believe that Chines worker have high skills, i work here in China and most of Chinese worker here was no skill. Some are dumb and stupid. Need more hours and days to learn one thing.

我不相信中国工人有较高技能,我在中国工作,这里的很多中国工人无技能。一些人很笨且愚蠢,学一样东西要更长的时日。

Majumundur→Bari
Mainland Chinese are just good at making imitation goods and steal from other brands such as apple, levis, LV etc

中国人擅长模仿,以及从其他品牌那偷,比如apple、levis、LV等。

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  1. 印尼,。。。貌似印象中就是那种没有咖喱味的印度人? 还是 再懒一点,头脑再稍微退化点? 8楼是这样么? 😯

  2. 那个印尼华人是冒充的。在印尼的华人除了回到大陆的和跑到其他第三国了的,剩下的都在98年死光了。 👿

    • 正解帝呀,当年还向大陆求过援,跑回大陆来,当年台湾都没怎么管印尼华人,还是大陆伸手帮了一把,现在那地头还有什么华人呀,有的都是渣渣! 👿

  3. 有份全球智商报告表明,印尼人和马来人智商仅次于南非洲部落的黑人

    果然智商越低,就越暴力

  4. (印尼语:我们劳工出什么问题?)>为什么华为还从中国引进外劳?
    我们当地劳工有什么问题?

    __________________________________________

    你们印尼劳工问题如下:
    1:隔三岔五不干活:下雨不干活(你们印尼一年一半日子是雨天),生孩子不干活,红白事不干活等等等等
    2:由于你们信的那个緑教,导致你们每天必须祈祷五次,每次祈祷半小时,祈祷完了也不干活而是喝茶半小时。一天工作八小时,有三个钟头要浪费在这上面
    3:由于你们被英国人殖民,导致你们必须要喝下午茶,下午茶要一小时。

    也就是说,一天工作八小时,四个钟头都在浪费,而且365天只能上一半的班,剩下的时间也不断波动。没有任何一家企业能够在这种环境下进行任何生产。

  5. Mainland Chinese are just good at making imitation goods and steal from other brands such as apple, levis, LV etc

    mainland chinese are just good at making imitation goods and steal from other brands such as apple,levis,LV etc? are you sure ? how about HAIER, XCMG,HARVAL…

  6. mainland chinese are just good at making imitation goods and steal from other brands such as apple,levis,LV etc? are you sure ? how about HAIER, XCMG,HARVAL…