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不满没有否决权,印度网友提议干脆退出联合国

United Nations: Why doesn't India haveveto power?

India represents nearly 1/5 of humanity.Still, it is not allowed a fair place at the UN. How can India continue to be apart of such an unfair organization? Is this likely to change within a fewdecades, as India grows more and more stronger on the world stage? Or would itbe best for India to boycott such a biased organization altogether?

联合国:为什么印度没有一票否决权?

印度代表着差不多全世界五分之一的人类。然而,印度在联合国却没有一个与之相称的公正的席位。印度怎么能够还继续呆在这个如此不公正的组织里呢?随着印度在世界的舞台上越来越强大,在未来的几十年里这一状况有可能改变吗?或者对印度来说最好的方式,是不是干脆拒绝参加这个有偏见的组织?

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译者:比木鱼
来源:龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-418836-1-1.html
外文:https://www.quora.com/United-Nations-Why-doesnt-India-have-veto-power



Anonymous(匿名)
Veto power in UN belongs to the victors ofthe Second World War – the big five – USA, Russia, France, UK and China. Asthey are the creators of the United Nations, rest of countries merely joined UNafterwards. Japan and Germany, in spite of being leading economies of the worldfor decades, do not have a high chair in UN Security Council. Therefore, thereis no real reason to believe the countries of the World with huge technologicalfirepower, historical advantage and economical might, will share Veto withIndia merely because of-late India's economy has gained some strength.Withdrawing India from UN is an economical suicide, that’s not an option.

联合国的否决权属于第二次世界大战的战胜国 —— 五巨头 —— 美国,俄国,法国,英国,和中国。而且它们是联合国的五个创始国,其它国家只不过是在随后加入了联合国。日本和德国,尽管在过去的几十年间成为了世界领先的经济体,但在联合国安理会依然也没有常任席位。因此,没有任何理由相信,拥有这个世界上最强大的军事科技力量,占尽历史优势,和经济强权的五大国,会和印度分享一票否决权,仅仅是因为印度的经济最近取得了一些成就。印度退出联合国,是一种经济自杀行为,那不是一个好的选择。

Now, analyse even the smallest chance ofIndia becoming veto wielding power of UN. Specifically, the route which Indiaoff late is trying. If India can muster the supports of two-third of UNmembers, it can change the UN charter through UN General Assembly, on the linesof membership of China converting from ROC to PRC. Moreover, this route willavoid a certain China Veto in the Security Council. The central problem withthis approach is that, India does not excite the voting members forcing them toremain neutral, by default. More significantly, the largest block of votingcountries have Left leaning governments (South America) and Muslim governments(Middle-east, North Africa), these governments are well aware of India’s shiftto Right, that has turned them from neutral to negative. So, it’s a long night,before India can even force a voting on its permanent membership, let alone getthe membership.

现在,来分析一下印度成为能够在联合国行使否决权的国家哪怕是最小的可能性。特别说一下,以下这个途径印度此前也一直在尝试。如果印度能够召集到联合国成员总数三分之二的支持者,就可以通过联合国大会修改联合国宪章,参考中国的成员资格从中华民国转变为中华人民共和国的方法。而且这个途径可以避免中国在安理会对印度入常投下的必然的否决票。现在这个方法的中心问题是,印度无法促使这些投票国家,让它们保持一般默认情况下的中立立场。更重要的是,最大的几个投票国地区,有的有一个左翼政府(南美洲),有的是穆斯林政府(中东,北非),这些政府都非常清楚印度的立场是偏右翼,这就让它们对印度入常的态度从中立变成了反对。所以,印度要改变哪怕一个国家对它入常的立场都很难,更不用说最后完全获得否决权了。

 
HariTsv(印度人)
If boycotting was to be an answer toproblems, kindly refer to what such boycotts have achieved and you willunderstand - it achieved zilch.

如果抵制联合国是解决问题的答案,那将取决于这样的抵制行动会获得什么,然而你将会明白,这样做什么也得不到。

India doesn't have veto power because weare not permanent members of the UNSC - currently dominated by USA, China,Russia, France and UK. Except China - the other 4 have been vociferouslysupporting India's being a permanent member of the UNSC.

印度没有一票否决权是因为我们不是联合国安理会常任理事国 —— 当前由美国,中国,俄国,法国和英国把持。除了中国 —— 其它四个常任理事国都在口头上支持印度成为安理会常任理事国。

China is yet to say either a"yes" or a "no".

中国现在还没有说“支持” 或 “不支持”。

In my lexicon, the "undecided"nature of China means NO!

以我的理解,中国“尚未决定” 的本质就是“不支持” !

There is a simple reason behind this.

这背后的道理很简单。

India is the only nation that can beardChinese dragon in its own den.

印度是唯一 一个敢对中国龙,龙口拔牙的国家。(厉害了,我的三哥!)

I wrote about this way back in 2012! Hereis the link: http://tsvhari.com/template_arti...

我早在2012年就写过这个方法!这是链接:http://tsvhari.com/template_arti...

But then, I do not move in a Merc limousinesurrounded by black-cat commandos to be taken seriously.

但是此后,我没有坐进被黑猫突击队严格保护的豪华防弹奔驰轿车里。(译注:黑猫突击队是印度的国家特种部队,作者的意思应该是指自己没有得到政府的重用。)

And do not for a moment thing that USA,Russia, France and UK support India's candidature for UNSC permanent seat outof love for India.

然后不过一会儿的功夫,美国、俄国、法国和英国出于对印度的爱(译注:作者应该是在讽刺),都纷纷支持印度的联合国安理会常任席位的候选资格。

Routinely, all the four nations manage tosell military hardware at exorbitant prices to us and us - thanks to greedytraitors amongst us who accept bribes to okay them.

按照老一套的步骤,接下来这四个国家就会处心积虑地以高得离谱的价格卖给我们军事装备,然后我们还得“感谢” 我们政府中间那些接受贿赂的贪婪的卖国贼。

I had explained this phenomenon again -long ago.

我很早就揭发了这个现象

Let us face it: As a nation of compradors -India may never get a UNSC permanent seat. And if we do, our veto power will bebought and sold like onions in Delhi fish market!

让我们直面吧:作为一个官僚买办国家 —— 印度也许永远都不可能获得联合国安理会常任理事国席位。但是如果我们直面这个问题,那么我们获得一票否决权就像在德里(印度的一个城市)的菜市场上买卖洋葱一样容易!

 
AngusTatchell(英国人,伦敦政治经济学院-政治与国际关系专业学生)
India currently does not possess UNSecurity Council veto power because it was not considered one of the original'Great Powers' that won the Second World War (who were the ones chosen by theUN at its foundation to facilitate the imposition of security decisions).

印度当前没有联合国安理会否决权是因为它不在赢得二战的创始 “元老” 之列(这些国家创立联合国的初衷是为了便于强制执行它们所作出的安全决议)。

Despite India being a admitted as a memberin the UN in 1945 (before it became an independent nation-state) and havingcontributed 2.5 million soldiers to the BritishArmy during the Second World War, it was still overlooked during the formationof the UN's Security Council. The United Kingdom was (along with France, theUS, the Republic of China and the USSR) given a Permanent Seat inthe UN Security Council, and these permanent members (the "P5') were alsogranted veto power over the decisions of the council.

尽管印度在1945年被承认是联合国的一个成员(在它成为一个独立的民族-国家之前),并且在二战中为英军贡献了250万名士兵,但它还是在联合国安理会组成时被忽略了。大不列颠联合王国(和法国,美国,中华民国,苏联一起)被授予安理会常任席位,并且这些常任理事国(即“五常”)还被授予了对任何安理会决议的一票否决权。

This was justified at the time becausethese states were the most militarily successful and powerful countries in theworld. At the time of formation India's economic and diplomatic power andinfluence was not considered to be significant enough to justify having a worldleading position in the UN.

这在当时还是很公正的,因为这些国家是当时世界上战胜国和强国。在那个时候,印度的经济实力和外交影响力还不足以强大到在联合国取得主导地位。

Whilst the military prowess of the P5 hascontinued to dominate since (accounting for 55% of global military expendituresin the world today) other countries, such as India, have risen to positions ofrelatively significant global power too. The UN is still exploring thepossibility of reforming the Security Council with the case of givingIndia permanent status being a very strong one supported by all of the P5.India's population is the second largest in world, its economy is the 7th andit has the 3rd largest active military. It is also by far the greatestcontributor to UN Peacekeeper forces in terms of personnel.

在五常的军事力量继续保持领先优势的同时(五常军费总和占当今世界全球军费支出的55%),其它国家,比如印度,也同样上升为全球相对重要的强国。目前联合国正在探索改革安理会的可能性,以便让印度获得安理会常任席位,由于五常的支持,这一迹象正在越来越明显。印度的人口数量世界第2,经济实力第7,拥有世界第3大常规军队。它还是迄今为止在人员上对联合国维和部队贡献最大的国家。

India will most likely be the first countryafter the initial P5 to be granted UNSC permanent status, and so only lacksveto powers at present due to historical reasons and the slow reformationprocess of the UN.

印度是最有可能成为继五常之后第一个被授予联合国安理会常任理事国地位的国家,而且目前暂时没有否决权只是因为历史原因和联合国改革进程过于缓慢导致的。

 
VenkateshReddy(印度人)
1. The natural tendency of people in powernever accepting to share power is a typical case here. The powerful 5 are notwilling to share their historical privileges.

1.出于人的本性,一个有权力的人是绝不会接受和别人分享权力的,在印度入常这个问题上就是经典的例子。

2. The rigid rules of UNSC . Any reform tosecurity council has to be approved by 2/3rd majority of united nations generalassembly and subsequent acceptance of P5.

2.联合国安理会僵硬的规定。任何对联合国安理会的改革必须得到联合国大会三分之二的大多数的通过,随后还要得到五常的承认。

3. G4 (Germany , Brazil , India , Japan)united bid has some inherent contradictions . Germany is opposed France andBritain, Japan is opposed by China etc. G4 has become more of a liability thanasset

3.四国集团(德国,巴西,印度,日本)联合入常有着某些内在的矛盾。德国被法国和意大利反对,日本被中国反对,等等。四国集团与其说是资产,还不如说是累赘。

4. The consensus group comprising Pakisthan, South Korean etc. are opposing the reforms

4.“团结谋共识” 集团包括巴基斯坦,韩国等等都反对改革。

5. India non signatory status related tomajor non-proliferation regimes is also an hindrance

5.印度在核不扩散机制中的非缔约国地位也是一个主要障碍。(译注:印度、巴基斯坦与以色列三国皆不签署不扩散核武器条约)

6.India's border disputes with theneighbouring countries has also being an irritant.

6.印度与邻国的边界领土争端也是影响因素。

For any multilateral institute to maintainits relevance , reformation is of outmost importance . The failure of UN insyria , Iraq glaringly describes the existing deficiencies .In the last 70years the global strategic scenario has changed considerably . UN failed torecognise the changing circumstances .

对于任何多边机构来说为了维持它的公正性,改革是至关重要的。联合国在叙利亚、伊拉克问题上显而易见的失败昭示着它目前的不足。在过去的70年里,世界的格局已经发生了相当大的变化,联合国没有认识到变化的国际环境。

India , a regional power comprising 1/6thof humanity , a responsible nuclear power , with 2nd largest contribution to UNpeacekeeping forces deserves a place in the global high tables .

印度,一个由六分之一人类组成的区域性大国,一个负责任的核大国,一个对联合国维和部队作出第二大贡献的国家,理应在全球最高圆桌上得到一个席位。

The changing strategic alignments on theinternational scenes are creating new hopes . The acceptance of TEXT BASEDNEGOTIATIONS is a step in right direction .

国际舞台上战略联盟的改变正在创造新的机会。接受基于文本的谈判让我们朝着正确的方向前又进了一步。

 
John Cate(一生都是美国人,43年有41年生活在美国<截至2016年>)
Because of the way the U.N. Charter waswritten. Only the five permanent members of the Security Council have aveto--the United States, Russia (formerly the USSR), France, UK and China. Thecharter was written in 1945, and in 1945, India wasn't even an independentcountry yet, but still a colony of the British Empire.

因为联合国宪章就是这么写的。只有安理会五个常任理事国才有一票否决权 —— 美国,俄罗斯(之前是苏联),法国,英国和中国。宪章写于1945年,而在1945年,印度甚至还不是一个独立的国家,而仍旧是大英帝国的一块殖民地。

There has been off-and-on discussion formany years about adding a few of the world's other most populous and/oreconomically powerful nations as permanent members, and if that ever came topass, India would be one of the first countries added, along with Germany andJapan (both of which were omitted for obvious reasons in 1945), and possiblyBrazil, Indonesia, and South Korea.

在过去的几年里,已经断断续续的有关于增加一些世界人口大国和/或经济强国进入安理会常任理事国的讨论,而且如果一旦获得通过,印度将会成为第一批加入的国家,与德国和日本一起(这两个国家都在1945年因为显而易见的原因被排除),还可能有巴西,印度尼西亚和韩国。

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