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国外论坛:2000年的中国是什么样子的?


relevantdetails
Phone zombies man. Chinese people really have no inhibitions when it comes to using their phones. As recent as 2011 most Chinese were still all using those blackberry-esque Nokias. Things were better then, in that respect.

拿着手机的行尸走肉。中国人在使用手机方面真的没有禁忌。就在最近的2011年,大多数的中国人都还在使用黑莓款式的诺基亚。那时候在这方面,一切都比较好。

 
komnenos
Were people actually texting and talking with people?

人们真的是在跟另外的人发信息或交谈吗?

 
onektruths
yeah. i only noticed the huge influx hate speech on the chinese internet from 2005, most of which are directed toward japan, taiwan, and america.

是的。我只注意到,从2005年起,中国网络上开始充斥着大量的仇恨言论,其中大部分都是针对日本、台湾和美国的。

 
exceptionalaverage
Only been to mainland China as a tourist in those days. Perhaps my views are irrelevant, but anyway.
Xian: Drab, polluted hellhole. Lots of scams and beggars.
Beijing: Surprisingly good air (just after they Olympics). People were curious about and friendly to foreigners.
Shenzhen: Still as charmless as it is today, except a bit cheaper. My HKD to RMB was almost 1:1. Then inflation, exchange rate unpegging, and food safety scandals hit, so there's pretty much no reason to go there now.
Hong Kong: Generally a happier place, with less mainlandisation - less political interference, and fewer mainland tourists. Now, many local shops have been torn down to make way for Gucci, LVMH, Omega etc. Mainlanders were more looked down upon than despised. Today, it's more or less the opposite.

只在那时候去中国大陆旅游过。也许我的观点是无关紧要的,但是还是说一下吧。
西安:单调,污染物的藏污纳垢之处。很多骗子和乞丐。
北京:令人惊讶的良好的空气(就在他们刚举办过奥运会之后)。人们对外国人非常好奇,也很友好。
深圳:跟今天一样没有吸引力,只是会更便宜一点。我的港币对人民币的汇率几乎是1:1的。然后通货膨胀,汇率脱钩,还有食品安全的丑闻打击,所以现在几乎没有理由再去那里了。
香港:一般而言是一个更快乐的城市,没那么大陆化——没那么多政治干预,也没那么多大陆游客。现在,很多家当地店铺都已经被拆除,为古驰、路易威登、欧米伽等让路了。相比其如今对大陆人的鄙视,那时候更看不起大陆人。现在,这或多或少地都是相互的了。

 
tigertigerduckduck
Beijing was great during the Olympics. Air was indeed very clean, but also because that year there was a drought in the winter and little rain or snow. Was great though. When the weather is good Beijing's blue skies are awesome!

在举办奥运会期间,北京真的很不错。空气确实非常干净,但是也因为那一年,发生了冬旱,少雨又少雪。但是那时真的很不错。天气好的时候,北京的蓝天真的是极好的!

 
zakazaw
Mainlanders were more looked down upon than despised.
Interesting way of putting it, and I think you're right.
I liked Xian though, went there a few years ago. I found the Bell Tower/Muslim Quarter to be quite nice but I guess if I lived there, I mightn't find it so good.

相比其如今对大陆人的鄙视,那时候更看不起大陆人。
说得非常有趣,我认为你说得对。
但是我喜欢西安,几年前去过那儿。我觉得那个钟楼/回民街非常的漂亮,但是我想如果我住在那儿,我可能不会觉得那里有那么好了。

 
zakazaw
Cool, this was a great post. From your list, I feel like things were better then in the sense there was much less materialism. I feel sad reading the part about the Internet. It is sickening how tech-savvy the regime has gotten and how they've come to dominate the Internet here.
Somebody else also said in the 1995 post that there was more optimism in the past. It's strange bc, at least in Beijing, I see a lot of Chinese with a kind of smugness and confidence, bordering on arrogance. Even right now, I know people who feel that the govt has everything under control and that China will continue to boom. Is it a different kind of optimism you saw in the 2000s (hopeful about society in general) or is it the same kind, just focused on money and materialism?
When you say people were sick of co ption but wanting to make cash-grabs, I suppose general co ption in society was not as blatant then but starting to get bad? So rudeness and bad driving was a thing back then too; it's funny and distressing.

不错,这是一篇很赞的评论。从你的列表中,我感觉那时候的情况更好,也没充斥那么多的物质主义。读到关于互联网的那部分,我感到很伤心。精通技术政权时代到来之后,非常令人作呕,还有他们后来主导网络的行径。在那个关于1995年的帖子里,还有人也说过,过去的时候也更乐观。那是一个奇怪的年代,至少是就北京而言,我看到很多中国人都很沾沾自喜,很有信心,近乎傲慢。即使是现在,我认识的人里面也有人觉得他们的政府将一切都掌控在手中,而且中国也会继续繁荣。这跟你在21世纪看到的乐观主义(普遍的对着会充满希望)是不一样的吗,还是是一样的,只是专注于钱财和物质?
当你说人们都很反感附败,但是又想要增加现金收入的时候,我觉得那时一般的社会附败应该并不明显,但是是什么时候开始变坏的呢?如此粗鲁无礼的不良驾驶,那时候也有吗;真是又有趣,又痛苦。

 
impossinator
Wow you're a regular Theodore White...

哇,你就是一位白修德……

 
GuestBob
A bit shit really. But fun with it.

真是一大堆的废话。但是还挺有趣的。

 
superPwnzorMegaMan
Sounds like similar to now, but no smartphones. Like everywhere else.

听起来跟现在差不多,只是没有智能手机。就跟其他地方一样。

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