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国外论坛:2000年的中国是什么样子的?

只在那时候去中国大陆旅游过。也许我的观点是无关紧要的,但是还是说一下吧。西安:单调,污染物的藏污纳垢之处。很多骗子和乞丐。北京:令人惊讶的良好的空气(就在他们刚举办过奥运会之后)。人们对外国人非常好奇,也很友好。深圳:跟今天一样没有吸引力,只是会更便宜一点。我的港币对人民币的汇率几乎是1:1的。然后通货膨胀,汇率脱钩,还有食品安全的丑闻打击,所以现在几乎没有理由再去那里了。香港:一般而言是一个更快乐的城市,没那么大陆化——没那么多政治干预,也没那么多大陆游客。

译者:可惜没如果
来源:龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-361617-1-1.html
外文:http://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/3evv7k/what_was_china_like_in_the_2000s/


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What was China like in the 2000s?

国外论坛:2000年左右的中国是什么样子的?

zakazaw
I kind of stole the idea from another poster who asked about 1995, but I'm genuinely curious about how China was like in the 2000s, especially the mid- to late 2000s. We all know that now China's economy is slowing down, but that the country has become more prosperous in things like high-speed trains, personal consumption, and so on, that there's a serious moral vacuum, and that the govt keeps limiting media, online and artistic freedoms. Were things better in the 2000s? Was there less dishonesty and rudeness or more? Did more people care about media freedoms and human rights then or was it just as apathetic as it is now IMO? Especially for expats who lived through this time, what did you all think?

我这个想法有点相当于是从另一篇帖子中偷来的,那篇帖子问的是1995年的中国是什么样子的,但是我是真的很好奇2000年左右的中国是什么样子的,尤其是从20世纪中期到20世纪末之间这个时期的。我们都知道,中国经济现在正在放缓,但是这个国家在高速列车、个人消费等这样的事情上变得更加繁荣。而且还有一个严重的道德真空问题,政府也一直在限制媒体、网络和艺术的自由。21世纪初的时候这些情况都会比较好吗?不诚实和无礼的情况是会更少,还是会有更多?会有更多人关心媒体自由和人权吗,还是会跟现在的国际海事组织一样这么冷漠?尤其是对于经历过这段时期的移居国外的人而言,你们有什么看法呢?

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malariasucks
buddy of mine was making 160-200 rmb an hour for ESL teaching in Beijing nearly 15 years ago.

我有一个好朋友,15年前在北京教英语时,可以拿到的时薪是160-200元人民币。

 
komnenos
How much do ESL guys usually make per hour these days?

教英语的那些人现在通常的时薪是多少?

 
malariasucks
I heard in Bj that it's the same. There's always someone trying to screw you over though, so to me it's not worth it.
however the centers will charge 500-1000 an hour and then try to rip off a teacher over 50 rmb difference an hour.

我听说在北京,现在还是一样的。但是一直会有人想把你挤出去,所以对我来说,那并不值得。
不过那些中心机构每小时的收费介于500-1000元之间,然后还会试图每小时剥削老师50元的薪资。

 
komnenos
Could you describe what teaching english was like back then?

你能描述一下当时教英语的情形吗?

 
wangpangu
"Hey kids, what shall we talk about today? "Sorry I'm late but I had a hell of a night last night. What? No, that's not vomit and beer on my shirt! Ignore the smell, you'll get used to it as the class goes on."
Basically the exact same as today except for less money.

“嘿,孩子们,今天我们要谈谈什么呢?”“对不起,我迟到了,但是我昨晚的经历太可怕了。什么?不,我衬衫上的不是呕吐物和啤酒!忽略那个味道,上课的过程中你们就会习惯的。”
基本上和今天一样,只是今天钱变少了。

 
komnenos
Haha any stories about particularly crazy expats?

哈哈,有什么关于那些特别疯狂的移居国外人士的故事吗?

 
wangpangu
Well, loads but I kind of got pissed off with their bullshit. It was a lot easier to fuck your students back in the day and it was a lot easier to get out of trouble with the cops.
A few years ago it seemed like it just wasn't worth the cops time to arrest or charge foreigners (no bribe money? just too much hassle? I don't know) so many people just behaved like animals and created the stereotypes we all have to live down today.
I realize that this may well still be true in Tier 100 cities today. I'm always a little bit suspicious of foreigners who choose to live in Nongguo because there's always the possibility that they are real pigs who behave like wankers, get off on the ability to fuck lots of girls, get treat like celebrities and work in education without any qualifications.
Still, they're running out of time.

嗯,太多了,但是我对他们的废话已经感到很生气了。在那个时候,要跟你的学生上床比今天更容易,要摆脱警察的麻烦也更简单。

几年前,似乎根本就不值得让警察花费时间去逮捕或惩罚外国人(没有贿赂款?只是有很多争辩?我不知道)有那么多人表现得跟动物一样,还创造出了我们现在生活中的刻板印象。

我知道在今天的100线城市中,这可能还是真实的。我一直有点怀疑选择居住在农国的外国人,因为他们总是会有可能会是真正的卑鄙之人,用毒品麻醉自己之后去欺负众多女生,得到名流人士一样的待遇,而且还可以在没有任何证书的情况下,从事教育事业。
幸好,他们快没时间了。

 
komnenos
*OK: some of them weren't exactly 'pressured', there's such a thing as a Chinese girl who likes to fuck foreigners. I know you're thinking I'm just jealous, maybe I am (ツ)/
Aaah, did you get too fat in China, are non white or marry a girl too fast?

*好吧:他们中有些人并没有真正的“倍受压力”,还有这样的原因所在,因为中国女孩喜欢与外国人上床。我知道你认为我只是在嫉妒,也许我的确是(ツ)/
啊,你在中国变得特别胖了吗,是非白人吗,还是飞快地跟一个女孩结婚了?

 
tigertigerduckduck
less nationalism, and with the olympics coming up there was a lot of excitement and pride, but it felt different from the "daioyu is ours/china is great" sort of pride. You could still feel a bit of that before the upcoming Expo.
Even in Beijing people would still take pictures of the foreigner. It also felt being a foreigner was special - sure you were a walking wallet, but you were also treated better. Nowadays you're just another person in the mass of people. Oh, and there was no wechat and no phone-zombies everywhere. And not everything was plastered with advertisements and those stupid video+sound ads.

更少的民族主义,而奥运会一来,就会很兴奋很骄傲,但是跟“钓鱼岛是我们的/中国是强大的”这样的自豪感,感觉是不一样的。在即将到来的世博会上,你还可以感觉到一点这样的情绪。
即使是在北京,人们仍然会给外国人拍照。还会觉得作为一个外国人是很特别的——当然你是一个随身钱包,但是你也会受到更好的待遇。而如今你只是人群中的另一位而已。喔,那时候还没有微信,也没有手机——到处都是行尸走肉。也没有像现在,所有东西上都被贴满了广告,那些愚蠢的视频+音频广告。

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