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韩国人发明了汉字——韩国人与外国网友的辩论

中国的历史学家喜欢歪曲历史,这是谁都知道的事情.你只要看一看”围棋”这个智力项目,韩国人总是打败中国人.如果它是中国人发明的,那中国人怎么表现总是那么糟糕?世界杯也是同样的例子。在现代的技术中,韩国人创造的三星.lg,现代,起亚风靡世界,中国人在哪呢?13亿打败不了一个4千万的民族,(如果加上北韩的话是8千万),我们几乎在所有的领域做的都比中国人好。真理就在这儿,不管你们是否接受它。许多中国历史学家也同意东夷是韩国人,并且创造了”大汶口”文化。

译者:夨落
来源:龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-4641-1-1.html
外文:http://www.chinalanguage.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=293&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


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以下是讨论:



posted: fri nov 22, 2002 12:37 am post subject: kOrean invented chinese language

chinese histOrian like to twist the histOry around, everybody know about it.
u just need to look at the baduk/weiqi intellectual game, kOrean always easily beat down chinese .if this is really your invention, why chinese done so poOrly?
And look also at the spOrt, the wOrld cup, chinese also done very badly if compare to kOrean.
in modern technology, kOrean made products like samsung, lg, hyundai,kia
are popular everywhere, where is chinese?
a population of 1.3 billion can't beat down a small nation with only 40 million , Or 80 million if u want include nOrth kOre, but still we done much better than chinese in almost every area.
the truh is out there, is just depend on you guys weather want to accept it Or not.
many chinese histOrian in china also agree that dongyi was kOrean And the creatOr fOr da'wek kou culture. it was also recoded in shi ji from shima ji.

翻译: 中国的历史学家喜欢歪曲历史,这是谁都知道的事情.

你只要看一看”围棋”这个智力项目,韩国人总是打败中国人.如果它是中国人发明的,那中国人怎么表现总是那么糟糕?世界杯也是同样的例子.

在现代的技术中,韩国人创造的三星.lg,现代,起亚风靡世界,中国人在哪呢?

13亿打败不了一个4千万的民族,(如果加上北韩的话是8千万),我们几乎在所有的领域做的都比中国人好.

真理就在这儿,不管你们是否接受它.

许多中国历史学家也同意东夷是韩国人,并且创造了”大汶口”文化......

 
posted: sat nov 23, 2002 4:44 am post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language

another good post that non chinese will able to deny it.

during prehistOry from neolithic to iron age, there were two cultures
in nOrth-east asaia. in nOrtheastern part (s siberia, central asia,
manchuria, And also current kOrean peninsula), nomadic people
dominated, whereas culture based on agriculture dominated southern
china. nomadic people mostly spoke in altaic Or other similar
languages, while agriculture-based people mostly spoke in
chinese-tibetan Or proto-austronesian. chinese archaeologists have
mostly focused on the latter. together with languages, features of
bronze weaspons Or tomb styles were clearly distinctive between the
two. ultimately, climate changes to dry/cold conditions drove the
nomadic people to the south (kOreans And japanese) And to the west
(turk, xian-no, etc).

it is also quite certain that the nomadic people in nOrthern china And
southern siberia firstly cultivated allium altaicum, the progenitOr of
allium fistulosum, And allium sativum, the progenitOr of allium
longicuspis.

with respect to various writing systems developed during the bronze
age And/Or during shang state, one thing is certain: writing systems
came from the east (altaic/nomadic people), not from the west Or the
south. it is quite certain that people lived in the east were not han
Or hua people. do you know who published the first chinese dictionary
in histOry? it is quite interesting that people speaking in altaic,
not chinese-tibetan, published it. what kind of spoken language did
yin/shang people use? this will be a quite good question fOr your
explOration into the ultimate inventOr of current chinese characters.

在新石器时代到铁器时代的史前文明中,在东北亚有两种文明.在东北亚地区(西伯力亚/中亚/满州以及现在的朝鲜半岛),游牧民族居于统治地位,而农耕文明在中国南部居于统治地位.游牧民族大部分都说阿尔泰以及相似的语系,而农耕文明大部分说汉藏语系.中国考古学家大部分都集中研究后者.而两种语言,青铜器的样子和墓制的样式完全不一样,而又干又冷的天气环境让游牧民族进入了南部.

非常肯定的事情是,北中国和南西泊力亚培育了__(此处不知怎么翻译),____的祖先/

在青铜器时代或者商代发展了不同的书写系统,有一件事可以非常确定---书写系统来自东部(阿尔泰/游牧民族),而不是西部和南部.还可以确定的是,东部的人不是汉族.你知道历史上谁出版了第一本汉字字典吗?非常有趣的事是这是说阿尔泰语的人做的而不是说汉藏语系的人做的.殷商时代的人使用的何种语言?这对你们研究谁是汉字的发明者是个非常好的问题.

 
i think all anyone can say is that ”kOrean made mOre contribution to the
development of what is known as chinese language than currently
acknowledged”. wOrkings of business, economy, technology, trade, And
commerce are the same today as they were 5000 years ago. what drives
linguistic development in today's wOrld? well, it's computer. you don't
need as much language to grow plant Or raise animals. in other wOrds, it
is technology which drives language, not agriculture. so, technology in
the old days were ceramics And casting technology, which kOrea was And
still is wOrld leader.

翻译: 我认为任何人都可以这么说---韩国人对大家所认知的汉字发展贡献更大.商业/经济/技术/贸易和5千年前一样,是什么么语言发展了当今世界?是计算机.你不会用语言去种养植物以及饲养动物,换句话说,是从语言中发展而来的技术,而不是农业.所以,在古代,技术就是制陶业和锻造业,而这些技术韩国一直是世界的先驱.

 
shanxi wrote:
............................chinese invented And created their own language. posting by peter is totally crap And ridiculous, the person trying to make a confusion here actually. ]+~

oh my gosh..i can't believe that chinese people are soo ingnOrant about their own histOry!!!!!!!!! chinese people didn't create their own language...they had to use another abOriginal's written language, And then on, they called it their own!! because of inferiOrity issues,,,they claim that they invented their own language..also peter kim is right on the chinese language being created by some other group besides chinese!! i think chinese (students) should relook at their histOry once again,,,it seems to me that people (me fOr instance) that are not chinese have a better knowledge of chinese histOry than some chinese people do...some people are ethnocentric..And it seems to me that you are...Or whoever that posted this..peter you're cOrrect on this, except the kOrean part of course

翻译: 跟贴者说中国人发明了他们自己的语言,楼主在这里胡言乱语,混淆是非.

又有一个韩国白痴对跟贴反对者的反驳:

我的天哪,中国人居然对他们的历史是这样的无知,中国人根本没有创造自己的语言,他们不得不用其他原住民的书写系统,然后,他们说那是他们自己的.因为自卑的原因,他们说他们发明了自己的语言.所以楼主是正确的,是其他人而不是中国人发明了自己的语言,这些中国人应该回头看看自己的历史,就像我一样,我对中国的历史了解的比他们自己更清楚,那些中国人是一些种族中心论者,楼主,你是对的.....

其他国外网友的反驳:

 
posted: sun sep 29, 2002 6:38 am post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language

everyone knowes that japanese And kOrean both derived from chinese, why waste your time with this crap?

任何人都知道日本人和韩国人源自中国,你为什么在这浪费时间废话!

 
flOreo
guest
posted: sat nov 09, 2002 7:15 am post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language

shoot, the first one in this thread didnt even have the necessary geographical idea about kOrea And china. the palace location fOr shang dynasty is in anyang which is almost in the middle of china. so how come kOreans would travel so deep into china as to make the characters???this is way to stupid! i don't wanna talk mOre about it!

注意,这个假设没有对于韩国和中国的地理学的观念,商朝的皇宫在安阳,几乎是在中国的中心,那么韩国人是怎么长途跋涉到中国的中心去创造他们的汉字?这太愚蠢了,我不想再说什么了/

 
anthony
guest
posted: fri nov 15, 2002 3:46 pm post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language

everyone know the chinese has the longest continous culture in the wOrld. chinese cultures have influences many cultures in southeast asia And east asia like japan And kOrean.

任何人都知道中国有着世界最长的连续不短的历史,中国文明影响了许多东南亚和东亚的国家,比如日本和韩国.

 
posted: mon nov 25, 2002 9:17 pm post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language

kOrean invented everything.

这个外国朋友很无奈的说:”韩国人发明了一切>”

 
peterkim
guest
posted: mon dec 02, 2002 12:50 am post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language

confucius was chinese but lao tze not.
taoism has kOrean Origin too.

韩国人又跳出来说;”孔子是中国人但是老子不是,韩国是道教的起源”

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