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中国隐形飞机的设计方案是窃取美国的么?

中国隐形飞机的设计方案是窃取美国的么?有网友评论称,你不能一上来就说这是完全的山寨,然后再说他们增加了一个引擎并且有了 一些创新性的东西。你不能直接在一个没有经过完全重新设计的战斗机上直接增加一个引擎。如果他们确实有F35的设计方案,他们只会把这个方案作为他们全新 设计的依据。更多的说的话就是他们制造了一个更好的战机因为有双引擎的设计。如果你在出现引擎故障的单引擎战斗机里时,你最应该做的恐怕就是把战斗机飞离 人口密集区然后弹射了,而在双引擎的飞机了,你依靠剩余工作的那个引擎可以有更好的机会平安着陆。俄罗斯曾经抄袭我们的战机达数十年,这并不新鲜,我们的 敌人将会以他们能得到的形式确保他们的优势。

译者:御天择
来源:三泰虎论坛 http://www.santaihu.cn/thread-9067-1-1.html
外文:http://news.yahoo.com/video/chinese-jet-design-based-stolen-044547470.html


20140907100849868

Chinese jet design based on stolen U.S. plans?

中国隐形飞机的设计方案是窃取美国的么?

Former Air Force Assistant Vice Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney, (Ret.), on China’s J-31 jet reportedly based on information stolen from the U.S. through cyber attacks.

前空军副参谋长少将托马斯麦金纳尼(现已退役),据其表示,中国的歼31隐形战机的很多信息是基于对美国的网络攻击后窃取的。

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boris
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Did you silly Americans think for even a moment that, after your president Clinton signed this monumental trade deal with communist China, resulting in American manufacturing jobs being sent to China on a massive scale, that this would not be the predictable and inevitable consequence? OF COURSE CHINA COPIED YOUR JET you idiot Clinton voters! That's what China does.

Did you Americans not realize, especially after your copyrighted and trademarked materials were routinely copied by China, that they would not also copy military jets? GET REAL. You voted for Clinton TWICE - he was your "rock star." Now you cry woe-is-me.

And just wait til your Obama is done with you after you rewarded him with a second term.
Those same Chinese jets may well be flying your way to bite.

你们这些笨蛋美国佬是否曾经有那么一瞬间考虑过,在你们的总统克林顿与TG中国签署了这一历史性的贸易协议,导致美国大量的制造业的工作份额被送给中国,这难道是无法避免并且不能预测的结果?中国当然要山寨你的飞机喽,你们这些笨蛋克林顿的支持者,所以,这是中国正在做的。美国人可能没意识到,特别是在你们的版权和商标的材料经常被中国抄袭之后,他们难道不会抄袭你们的战机么?面对现实吧,你们给克林顿投了两次票,他曾是你们的明星,现在我们有麻烦了。就在你们给了奥巴马连任的机会以后,这些中国战机可能就会飞过来咬你

 
Bobby Joe 6 pack
Boris, it started with Nixon and his ambassador to China - Bush the elder.

楼上,这从尼克松和他的大使老布什来到中国以后这一切就已经开始了

 
boris
what you post is utterly false. Nixon merely established dialogue and enhanced diplomatic relations with The Peoples Republic of China. This in no way compares to the mega deal brokered by Clinton. He even went on national TV to assure USA's workers that his was good for them, that it would expand new markets for American made goods. Clinton betrayed his union supporters who pleaded with him to relent. Clinton didn't just sign off on this deal with communist China, he aggressively promoted it.

你说的是完全错的,尼克松仅仅是和中华人民共和国建立了对话关系并且和其加强了外交关系,这和克林顿所签署的一系列大型协议没有可比性,他甚至还去国家电视台向美国的工人们担保克林顿是为他们好,因为这会对美国制造的商品开辟新的市场。克林顿背叛了曾经宽容他的工会支持者。克林顿不仅仅是和TG中国签署了这一项协议,他还加紧的推进这个

 
Eric
Thank you, Boris. Someone had to destroy an idiot who might think this way.

感谢你层主,总得有人站出来摧毁那些这样思考的蠢蛋

 
Michael
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You can't say "it's an exact copy" in one breath and then turn around and say "they added a second engine" in the next and have any credibility. You can't just add a second engine to a fighter jet without a complete redesign. If they did get hold of the plans for the F-35, they only used it as a basis for a completely new design. What's more is they made it a better jet because of the twin engine design. If you have an engine failure on a single engine jet then the best thing you can do is point it away from a populated area and punch out. With two engines, you stand a better chance of landing safely with the remaining engine. Russia has been copying our jets for decades. This is nothing new. Our enemies will take any advantage they can get.

你不能一上来就说这是完全的山寨,然后再说他们增加了一个引擎并且有了一些创新性的东西。你不能直接在一个没有经过完全重新设计的战斗机上直接增加一个引擎。如果他们确实有F35的设计方案,他们只会把这个方案作为他们全新设计的依据。更多的说的话就是他们制造了一个更好的战机因为有双引擎的设计。如果你在出现引擎故障的单引擎战斗机里时,你最应该做的恐怕就是把战斗机飞离人口密集区然后弹射了,而在双引擎的飞机了,你依靠剩余工作的那个引擎可以有更好的机会平安着陆。俄罗斯曾经抄袭我们的战机达数十年,这并不新鲜,我们的敌人将会以他们能得到的形式确保他们的优势。

 
Christopher
not only that it makes them similar to rusian jet

不仅仅这一点使得他们的战机看亲来和俄罗斯的相似

 
Andy
The US jet engine success rate is 99.97%. The fail rate in this case can be neglect to accommodate for efficiency and agility. F-16 is a single engine fight jet and been in service since 1978 never had engine failure.

美国战斗机引擎的成功率在99.97%,引擎的效率和灵活性可以减少故障率到达可以被忽略的水平。F16就是一个单引擎的战斗机,它从1978年服役至今从来没出现过引擎故障。

 
DarrenD
If one comes apart it's gonna damage the other engine so.... LOL

如果有一个引擎破碎的话那么碎片也会损伤另外一个引擎,所以会。。。23333333

 
George
How can one tell from a photograph?
Well, I do not know anything about jet propulsion, nor anything about flight/air-dynamics, nor combustion at supersonic speeds, not to mention instrumentation and navigation.
It would be magic to read these systems off from photographs!
But, I do know the Chinese Engineers speak and perhaps use English language.
So, the Chinese plans were drawn up in metric standards in English language?
So, do they look like they were stolen, or they simple better?

如何从照片中解读出来?我对喷气推进不是很了解,对飞行/空气动力学同样不了解,对超音速燃烧依然不了解,对仪表导航也是一个德行。如果没有这些照片的话了解这些系统将会是很奇妙的感觉。但是,我知道中国的工程师会英语,因此,中国的度量标准方案是用英语写出来的?因此,方案看起来像是被偷来的,或者他们的更好?

 
Xfire
Yup, they copied it.
Yah, just look at the pics: It has swept wings, a pilot's canopy, twin tails and... oops, the number of engines don't match. Never mind that little minor discrepancy, the wings and tails nail it - perfectly - don't they?...
Excuse me for laughing...

是的,他们抄袭这些,是的就像图片里这样:有后掠机翼,有飞行员的舱盖,有双尾翼和。。。啊哦,引擎的数量不匹配。没关系,不必介意这一点点的差异,机翼和尾翼都是完美的契合,不是么?
对不起让我出去笑一会儿2333

 
ThePatriotMuckraker
Too many traitors in America., and I'm not talking about the computer geek they are going to blame this "leak" on. The truth is after that "fall of the soviet union" lie in the 90s the traitors high up have been giving and selling secrets to russia and china. Add the ongoing invasion by illegals coming from all over the world including china and russia and you have a recipe for national suicide. The question is: what are YOU going to do about? Whine? Blame the other party? What are YOU willing to do to protect the Republic?

美国有太多的叛徒了,我并不是指那些把这件事归咎于“泄露”的电脑迷们。是事实在90年代苏联解体的时候,那些叛徒将机密情报送给或卖给俄罗斯和中国。加之世界各地包括中国和俄罗斯不断地非法入侵,我们已经有了一套国家毁灭的图谱。问题是,我们将如何去面对这些?发牢骚?把责任推给别的政党?你打算愿意怎么做去保护我们的国家?

 
Pat F
Now there's a surprise. Chinese espionage.
These billions of people have nothing, not even a good educational system.
We, the fools that we are, allow them to come here and get educated in our best colleges.

现在有一个想不到的东西,中国人的间谍活动。这10亿多人什么都没有,甚至都没有好的教育系统。我们真是笨到家了,允许他们来到这里并且让他们在我们最好的大学里受到教育。

 
paul
Hello, Companies are international , they have any thing you want, and make and sell to anyone. Please get off the beer and football games.

嘿,公司是国际化的,他们有你想要的任何东西,制造并且销售给任何人,请从啤酒与足球的比赛中清醒出来

 
Jrm116
Our good friends the communist Chinese STOLE stuff from us? SHOCKING, simply shocking!

我们的好朋友TG中国从我们这里偷东西?震惊,简单的令人震惊

 
Usmc Danang
Chinese have been stealing since one was caught stealing under the Clinton administration. He of course was a dem favorite donor to the Clinton Election.

中国在克林顿政府时期的窃取行为曾被抓到过,然而这种行为一直在持续。他当然是民主党在克林顿选举中最喜欢的捐赠人。

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