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为什么日本男人不追求西方女性

2014-11-06 19:45 63个评论 字号:

网友WhiteRabbit:我知道你们已经讨论过百次这种话题了,肯定还有其他隐藏的原因。我是ina,正在做学士论文研究这个问题,我对日本和欧美关系很感兴趣,我住在日本,不论札幌东京大阪还是田中,到处都是西方男人和日本女人,但是很少见西方女人和日本男人,我很高兴听听你们的观察。网友回答称,“我想他们是怕被西方女性拒绝,这些vip似的女性通常穿短裙,带着夸张的太阳镜,说话声极大。如果这个女人很害羞,对日本男子并不主动,并且很善良话也不多,嗯,有机会了。也许有例外吧我觉得。但对西方男人来说,日本女孩太好把了,因为她们大都倾慕于你,不论这女的漂亮于否。”

译者:GTKO2001
来源:http://2chcn.com/html/2014/11/34738.html
原帖:http://www.jref.com/forum/threads/why-do-only-few-japanese-men-go-for-western-women.49932/

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Why do only few Japanese men go for Western women?

为什么日本男人不追求西方女性

楼主 WhiteRabbit

Hey there,

I am sure you’ve gone through that topic a hundreds of times, but still there might be some new or unsaid opinions out there.
My name is Ina and I’m currently doing my master’s resarch on this question, or, to put it in other words, I’m interested in relationship constellations of Japanese and Western Europeans. This idea came up when I lived in Japan and no matter where I was wandering around (Sapporo, Tokyo, Osaka, inaka), there were Westernman-Japanesewoman couples everywhere – but hardly any Westernwoman-Japaneseman couples. Guess there are many theories about it, so I’d be very happy to hear some of them or what observations you have made :wave:

Jul 20, 2012

我知道你们已经讨论过百次这种话题了,肯定还有其他隐藏的原因。我是ina,正在做学士论文研究这个问题,我对日本和欧美关系很感兴趣,我住在日本,不论札幌东京大阪还是田中,到处都是西方男人和日本女人,但是很少见西方女人和日本男人,我很高兴听听你们的观察。

跟帖:

akiyamine

Most japanese men are scared of westernwoman even if they find them very very attractive !
Maybe westerners act too much like VIPs in Japan…

大多日本男性恐惧西方女性,即使发现她们很有吸引力,也许是西方人在日总表现的太过vip了。

 

akiyamine
Well I think they have a little fear of being rejected by those Westerns girls wanna-be VIPs walking around in really short clothes, wearing freakin star-sunglasses, talking loud and things like this…
But, if the woman is shy in the sense of not too dominant for the japanese guy, and she is really kind and not too judgemental, then there is a chance!
Still there are exception but very few in my opinion…

For the westerner man, Japanese girls are so easy to get because they are admiring you very easily, no matter how beautiful and hard-to-get she tries to be…

我想他们是怕被西方女性拒绝,这些vip似的女性通常穿短裙,带着夸张的太阳镜,说话声极大。如果这个女人很害羞,对日本男子并不主动,并且很善良话也不多,嗯,有机会了。也许有例外吧我觉得。

但对西方男人来说,日本女孩太好把了,因为她们大都倾慕于你,不论这女的漂亮于否。

 

zoomingjapan
I agree with nice gaijin!我同意楼上
C’mon you can’t seriously think that all Western women here act the same!
I’ve been in Japan for about 5 years now. I get the “bijin”, “model” compliments every single day, but yet I haven’t even had a single date!
My female Japanese friends say that Japanese guys are just too shy and are afraid that their English isn’t good enough.

你不能说西方女性都表现的一样。我在日本5年了,每天被人恭维过美女啊模特啊,但我从没约过会。我的女性日本朋友说日本男性只是太害羞,担心自己英语不好而已。

 

Prejudice!

歧视啊!

 

My native language isn’t English and I speak Japanese at a very advanced level, but I’m too shy to just go guy-hunting.

我的母语也不是英语,日语也只是进阶水平,但我也很害羞不敢去找男朋友。

 

I have a few Western friends who have Japanese boyfriends or husbands, but ALL of them live in big cities (mostly Tokyo).
I’ve always only been in the boonies – and it’s a whole different story here.

我有些西方朋友有日本男朋友或丈夫,但他们都住东京,我常住郊区,这里完全不同。

 

I think a lot of Japanese men find Western women attractive, but are too afraid to make a move because of some common prejudice!

很多日本男性觉得西方女性有吸引力,但是不敢前进其实是一种通常的歧视。

 

Western women are loud, stubborn etc. etc.
If I look at some Japanese women, then I think some of them are much louder and super stubborn.

西方女人很吵固执。但有些日本女人更吵闹更固执。

 

I guess you won’t know for sure until you interview a few Japanese guys, but as Japanese often tend to not tell the truth in these cases, you might never find out the truth.

我猜你再见过一些日本男性之后,会发觉日本人对这些事通常不说实话,你永远不会发现真相。

 

Orange
It might be Japanese women who are “strange”, rather than it is Japanese men. In the US, most of Chinese and Koreans go out with or marry only someone who shares the same ethnicity. Japanese women seem to be the exception among Eastern Asians to go out with Americans.

也许日本男人比日本女人更奇怪,在美国,中国人和韩国人出去或者婚姻都找同种族的人,日本女人是特例找美国人

 

ewww

I think that depends from region. That is not a true in DC are and in NYC. I think that ethnical constrains became weak once people are going to college or university.

From the other side, I know couple asian guys, who were dating western girls for long time, but both brought fiancees from mainland. One of them told me something like that: “I am serious scientist, and my wife should work alot and she should not distract me”. He-he, he got his master in Canada, he got his phd in states, he likes classical music and opera. Once he told me that he feel himself more as western guy than asian.

我想这取决于地域,我认识两个亚洲人和西方女人约会,他们都是从大陆带着钱来的,他们告诉我“我是个严谨的科学家,我妻子必须做很多工作且不能分散我的注意力。”他在加拿大拿的学士学位,在美国拿的硕士,喜欢古典音乐戏剧,他觉得自己比亚洲人更像西方人。

 

Resident Realist
Orange said: ↑回复楼上orange的贴
I would avoid making assertions in such general terms. There is plenty of interracial dating across the board.

我反对下这种结论,海外有的是跨国约炮。

 

And what do you mean by “Americans”? American is not an ethnicity.

还有什么叫我们美国人,美国人不是种族论者

 

Orange
nice gaijin said:
I would avoid making assertions in such general terms. There is plenty of interracial dating across the board.

And what do you mean by “Americans”? American is not an ethnicity.
My bad, I apologize. What I meant is that Chinese and Koreans tend to find their mates from their own groups, where Japanese tend to find their mates beyond their own race/nationality.

好吧我道歉,我是说中国韩国更倾向在他们自己的圈子里寻找伴侣,但日本人却跳出自己的种族圈子。

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  3. akiyamine

    Most japanese men are scared of westernwoman even if they find them very very attractive !
    Maybe westerners act too much like VIPs in Japan…

    大多日本男性恐惧西方女性,即使发现她们很有吸引力,也许是西方人在日总表现的太过vip了。
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    • 洋妞陪国男,美国确实不多,但欧洲不少,还有澳洲。
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