从这里了解印度人对中国的看法

印度一家人在新疆和西藏旅行:抵达樟木(21)

2014-10-07 00:03 82个评论 字号:

三泰虎10月7日译文,印度一家人在xj和xz旅行。印度网友kshil:“哦,天啊!如果第8大机场就有那种规模,我都不知道说什么好了!是的,我漏掉了香港和深圳等特区的机场。令我感兴趣的是,与新加坡樟宜机场、曼谷素万那普机场、日本成田机场和迪拜国际机场相比如何。我确信中国机场仍然很难被打败。必须再次承认的是,中国向其他国家证明了发展意味着什么,什么才是发达的基础设施。”

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com
外文标题:One Month Family Trip to Xinjiang, China’s Central Asia and incredible Tibet
外文地址:http://www.bcmtouring.com/forum/travelogues-around-world-f68/one-month-family-trip-xinjiang-china-s-central-asia-incredible-tib%t-t55652-77/

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译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com/2014100701.html

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Kunming is not 4th,actually it’s 8th after Beijing Capital International Airport ,Hong Kong International Airport,Shanghai Pudong International Airport,Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport,Shanghai Hongqiao Airport,Shenzhen Bao’an International Airport,Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport

实际上,昆明机场不是第四大机场,而是第8大机场,排在前面的是北京首都国际机场、香港国际机场、上海浦东国际机场、广州白云机场、上海虹桥机场、深圳宝安国际机场、成都双流国际机场

kshil
Ohh My God!! If 8th largest Airport is of this size, I don’t know what to say!! Yes I missed out Hongkong, Shenzen like SAR parts. Now I am interested to compare it with other big Asian Airports of Changi, Singapore, Subarnabhumi Bangkok, Narita, Japan and Dubai International Airport and I am sure still Chinese Airports would be hard to beat. Once again I must admit China has shown others what it means by development and better infrastructure

哦,天啊!如果第8大机场就有那种规模,我都不知道说什么好了!

是的,我漏掉了香港和深圳等特区的机场。

令我感兴趣的是,与新加坡樟宜机场、曼谷素万那普机场、日本成田机场和迪拜国际机场相比如何。我确信中国机场仍然很难被打败。

必须再次承认的是,中国向其他国家证明了发展意味着什么,什么才是发达的基础设施

 

Ladakh_Maniac
My heart is sinking as you are inching closer to Kathmandu and the log would finish soon. Am now addicted to see this natural beauty at its best so frequently through your updates.
Am sure you will keep us busy with some other new trip of yours.

随着临近加德满都,本游记即将结束,我的心也在下沉。

不停地看你的更新,自然美景已经让我看上瘾了。

我确信你还会给我们带来其他游记的。

 

Ladakh_Maniac
If we draw a topographic profile from Indo-Gangetic Plains through Nepal/Ladakh to Tibet/China highland plateaus, across the trend of Himalayas, it seems like the southern part of the plateau that ends in Himalayan ranges towards India/Nepal are quite steep and disturbed which leads to deep river valleys and rugged topography. Once we cross these stretches and reach Tibet/China side, the terrain is totally different and the valleys are quite wider there without narrow steep gorges, even many/most of the mountain passes are bye and large flat with just gradual rise and some curves to reach there (at least from the pictures you posted, am sure there would be some that which would be tough to climb). That might be one of the reasons why the Chinese could build good road/rail network in that area even if that falls within the himalayan region (I am not discounting the incredible effort they have put in building their infrastructure in this region – hats off to them) but still our part of Himalayas are much tough to handle in terms of landslide prone areas, nearly- vertical steep gorges and passes like Zijila/Kla/Rohtang etc.
Unfortunately we are on the wrong side of Himalayas.
(Just thought of putting my perspective here.)

如果我们从印度恒河平原经尼泊尔/拉达克到xz/中国高原画一个地形剖面,似乎青藏高原南端在喜马拉雅山的印度/尼泊尔一侧非常陡峭,造成了深深的河谷和崎岖的地形。

而xz/中国一侧的地形就完全不同了。河谷很宽,没有狭窄陡峭的山峡,甚至大多数山口也较为平坦,坡度较为缓和(至少从图片上看来是如此)。也许,这就是中国人能够在当地修建发达公路和铁路网络的原因,甚至修进了喜马拉雅山区(我不是贬低他们修建基础设施的努力,向他们致敬)。而我们一侧喜马拉雅山区的地形就困难多了,容易发生山崩、几乎垂直的山峡和关口等

不幸的是,我们生在喜马拉雅山错误的那一边

pigtaker1
Diffirent terrain has different solution. A rough idea of China’s answer in other area

不同的地形有不同的解决办法。

 

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kshil
Brilliant is the word which won’t do justice to these amazing feats of engineering!! Please let us know the name of the places where these pics are taken. Also as others said, why don’t you take some of your time to show us some of the great feats of engineering from this amazing country? The more I see, more I feel the urge to visit the wonderful country.

Thanks again for sharing these wonderful pics with us here.

哇塞!告诉我们这些照片的拍摄点是哪里。正如其他人所说的,为什么你不花些时间向我们介绍这一神奇国家的伟大工程壮举呢?看得越多,我就感觉越有冲动去参观这个精彩纷呈的国家。

再次感谢你向我们分享这些精彩的图片

 

Ladakh_Maniac
Wow. We are yet to see other parts of China so closely.
As I mentioned already that what China has done in terms of engineering marvels is incomparable.
Effective utilization of resources at amazing pace.

Do share your part of stories with loads of pictures.

哇,我们还有待密切关注中国的其他地区呢

正如我之前提到的,中国取得的工程奇迹是无法匹敌的。

以惊人的速度有效利用资源

把你的故事用大量图片来分享吧

 

teufel
Spectacular work by engineers!

工程师的杰作

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  8. Re: One Month Family Trip to Xinjiang, China’s Central Asia and incredible TibetOriginally Posted by pigtaker1 View PostNo way, kshil. I don’t want to make it look like show off by bring many china projects pics into your wonderful travel log. The point I want to make is just to illustrate what is possible in different conditions.That’s ok Pigtaker1, I got the point but those pics are so fascinating, I would request you to share few of your China photographs with us here if possible, you can start a new thread and I am sure many of us would be interested to see those.Originally Posted by pigtaker1 View PostI would like to say I am impressed by your derail reply to may every argument with great patience, even exceeding my original part in length, appreciated. For the purpose of constructive debate and better understanding, I am willing to further elaborate some argument in the following part.As others said already it’s extremely interesting to see the perception, understanding, view points from Chinese people which is definitely something valuable we all are looking for. So when I found your last post, I was so glad to get views from Chinese which I didn’t get in my entire trip, that I started writing a detailed reply. Thanks again for your time to share your thoughts with us, I really appreciate.Originally Posted by pigtaker1 View PostFirst of all is about the westernized bashing. I believe I had solid evidence to back up my claim. With my experience of higher education and working in US, I have the capability and opportunity to access to those western main-stream media, through those reports I notice a pattern of intentionally bashing in many coverage relating to China. You may not agree, but I believe I am in a better position to tell the difference btw their way of description and my actual knowledge about china. Besides, many of my country fellows who have been abroad also share the same views with me. There is a popular saying that the most patriotic Chinese are those with oversea experience. For example, CNN once used a Nepal police pic to show how China gov brutally oppress Tibetans and a recruiting gathering pic to demonstrate China’s unrest; there are tons of other examples. That is why several years ago some Chinese established a website called anti-CNN dedicated to expose CNN’s tortured and false reports about China. I noticed many westerns claimed their stereotype and prejudice about China shattered after the visiting. But the question is where those concepts come from ? Of course from their media coverage. 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Of course as a relatively less stable area like Xingjian and Tibet, it is understandable to have some extra security measures, just like your authority also limit Chinese tourists access to certain area such as Darjeeling, Sikkim and J&K.True, all countries have some degree of security concern but you think when you land to a foreign country and your luggage was taken out by few people whose language you can’t understand and they were taking you out of the station to a far away parking lot. For time being I thought I was getting robbed. We followed each security processes, got all permits needed, followed all rules set for foreigners, still we were taken out by few people whom neither we could identify (Those police were in civil dress, we later understood from our guide that they were cops) nor we could communicate with. Those were few real nerve wrecking moments and I think in such situation, only a better communication with foreigners could salvage the situation.Originally Posted by pigtaker1 View PostContrary to your speculation, my observation is that Enlish become less important in Chinese mind. A few month ago China education department reduced the weight of Enlish test in China entrance college test (the most important one in Chinese whole life), which is welcomed by most students because many Chinese really feel learning English is extremely difficult and boring. Besides, the economic incentive for learning English seems to wane. In the past, good English means you can go broad or working in multinational company to earn much more money. Now those advantages are narrowed. Take the touristy for example, you can witness the dominate force are domestic consumers. In fact, China now stands for the 3rd largest international tourist destination(slightly behind US and France) with annul foreign visits of 55 million and we also are number one outbound tourist source with annul number of nearly 100 million, which prompt many destination country to provide Chinese-speaking service. By contrast, India only attracts 6 million even you have much more English speaking personnel. My point here is that language really is not as formidable as it looks when traveling abroad. If you want to go, you can always find creative ways to communicate.I got your points and If I find sizable number of Chinese tourist in some parts of my country, I think it’s prudent to provide some kind of Chinese service there. Similarly I am sure my experience to China would have been much superior if I could find atleast few people to communicate in English. My trip was for one month and with family, I felt this language was quite a big barrier to break through. 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My China DiaryThis is exactly what I was trying to say, you got it absolutely right, so in that perspective, I believe English language should be used more in big hotels, international airports or big railway stations of China, this not only causes conveniences to non mandarin speaking people but also makes the China experience much superior.Originally Posted by pigtaker1 View PostThe good news is that Kunming and Kolkata become sister cities a couple month ago, which means the comunication between India and china will be more easy and convenient. I always take Kolkaka as step stone to explore other parts of India. And like you, I plan to visit India at least 5 to 6 times to cover this beautiful and mysterious country.Yes I read this in newspaper few days back and I believe it would be wonderful if we have better communication setup between India and China through this route. We are so close as I said Kunming and Kolkata is closer to each other than their respective capital. Let me know when you are coming next to India, I would try to meet you in person while you would be transiting through Kolkata, it would be a pleasure to talk to you in personOriginally Posted by pigtaker1 View PostI will continue to follow your travel log. For me, this is really a joyful mental travel experience because currently I do not have extensive time to make such trip. I hope I could have one after retirement.Thank you once again as one of our friend rightly said the log is now truly got an international flavor when so many of our Chinese friends are taking their time out and sharing their thoughts with us. It’s a pleasure to have your views and would wait to read your further comments.回复:一个月的家庭旅行到新疆,中国的中亚和令人难以置信的西藏最初发布的pigtaker1观后没办法,kshil。我不想让它看起来像炫耀的中国项目的照片为你带来许多美好的旅行日志。我想说明的一点是为了说明在不同的条件下,什么是可能的。好的,我有点pigtaker1,但这些照片是如此迷人,我请求你与我们分享一些你如果可能的话,中国的照片,你可以开始一个新的线程,我相信很多人会有兴趣看的那些。最初发布的pigtaker1观后我想说我对你的回答可能脱轨每个论点以极大的耐心,甚至超过我原来的部分的长度,赞赏。为建设性的辩论和更好的理解的目的,我愿意进一步阐述在下面的部分参数。当别人说已经非常有趣,感知,理解,从中国人绝对是有价值的东西我们都在寻找的观点。所以当我发现你的上一篇文章中,我很高兴得到来自中国,我也在我的整个行程不到的观点,我开始写一个详细的答复。再次感谢您的时间和我们分享你的想法,我真的很感激。最初发布的pigtaker1观后首先是西化的抨击。我相信我有坚实的证据来支持我的要求。我对高等教育的经验和工作在美国,我要进入西方主流媒体的能力和机会,通过这些报告,我注意到一个故意扑在许多报道的有关中国模式。你可能不同意,但我相信我是一个更好的位置来告诉他们的描述方式的差异,我对中国的实际知识。另外,我国的许多人已在国外也与我一样的看法。有一种流行的说法,最爱国的中国人在海外工作经验。例如,美国有线电视新闻网曾经尼泊尔警察的照片显示中国政府残酷压迫藏民和招聘收集图片展示中国动荡的例子还有吨。这就是为什么几年前一些中国建立了一个网站称为反美国有线电视新闻网致力于揭露美国有线电视新闻网的折磨和有关中国的假报告。我注意到许多西方人对中国声称他们的成见与偏见粉碎后访问。但问题是,这些概念是从哪里来的?从媒体的报道中。无论如何,这是一个政治问题,没有必要进一步扩大在这里。我毫不怀疑,部分媒体试图玩这个游戏我不犯规混淆我的游记与他们,我只是另一个印度谁爱上了中国在我第一次想知道中国和它的人民,所以我的理解会得到精制的我可以与中国人更。我感谢你给我这个机会。最初发布的pigtaker1观后我在你感兴趣的在火车站,我似乎是正常的。我们中国人在这样的情况下通常下车,有烟和伸展腿部,然后回来再下服务员提示。我想说在服务员一边一些压力,因为她是她的教练乘客的安全负责。如果有人被遗留在平台或紧赶火车受伤,她可能在严重的麻烦,降级甚至被解雇。因为你是一个外国人和缺乏有效的沟通,她可能只是需要一些额外的照顾着你。它只是一个不同的练习,就像我也感到奇怪,当看到有人可以在列车运行或不被允许公开在印度饮用开门。规则是规则。这是一个由德国当他遇到一个不熟悉的中国实践的评论,我真的很喜欢他的态度。我总是尊重土地法和欣赏德国认为,规则是规则和不可转让的。我只表示我不舒服,这种水平的监测。问题是那些服务员不会说英语,所以我不能理解他们要传达的信息。我认为,他们做他们的工作,他们负责乘客安全,但是想到我们,离开一个休闲之旅,当我从火车上伸伸腿,采取一些照片西藏高原的惊人的,在20 / 30分钟停止,随之而来的将我从第一分钟上车的话,我不明白。这是令人沮丧的!希望你能理解我的感受!有一个旅游最初发布的pigtaker1观后至于你的警察护送的经验在最后一站,这是另一个故事。看起来怪怪的,违背常识。既然你不能进行有效的沟通,这是很难知道背后

  9. Re: One Month Family Trip to Xinjiang, China’s Central Asia and incredible TibetEthereal snowscapes, Kaushik!”NEVER EVER MENTION IN VISA APPLICATION YOU ARE GOING TO VISIT TIBET.””In TAR, foreigners can’t use any mode of public transport and can’t travel unescorted.””Tibet has still many dreams hidden…””Just pray that things go well during your visit, Tibet is terribly uncertain.”That, for me, is the crux of the problem. I would not even dream of visiting.However, Kaushik, your photographs are excellent. I particularly like the pics of people. The candid shots of Uighurs, of Kyrghiz, and of Tajiks are particularly striking. I am reminded of a book by Colin Thubron, “The Lost Heart of Asia”.What did your daughter say about the trip? Isn’t it time she joined up here at BCMT ? kee bolo! She is surely going to be one hell of a traveller and travel writer in her own right soon.Well, we are pretty fortunate that you guys are so adventurous and that we are all able to sit comfortably and travel the Karakoram and the Friendship Highway (surely a misnomer there) without lifting a finger.What’s next ? A trek to Pemako ?I am writing this even before I have finished reading your thread, due to its immense length. Your report is rivaling the Karakoram in duration and it is surely rivaling the Friendship Highway in the number of compliments from friends. I also must salute your intrepid spirit and persistence in the face of adversity. Bravo !回复:一个月的家庭旅行到新疆,中国的中亚和令人难以置信的西藏空灵的雪景,Kaushik!“在签证申请你要参观西藏从未提及。”“在焦油,外国人不能使用任何的公共交通模式,不能旅行护送。”“西藏仍然有许多的梦想隐藏……”“只是祈祷一切顺利,在您访问期间,西藏是非常不确定。”这,对我来说,是问题的症结所在。我甚至不想去。然而,Kaushik,你的照片是优良的。我特别喜欢的人的照片。的kyrghiz维吾尔人,坦诚的镜头,和塔吉克人特别引人注目。我想起柯林萨布伦的一本书,“亚洲”失落的心。你的女儿说的旅行吗?是不是她加入了在bcmt?记大刀!她肯定会很快被一个地狱的在自己的权利的旅行者和旅游作家。好的,我们很幸运,你们是如此的冒险,我们都可以舒适地坐旅游喀喇昆仑公路的友谊(当然用词不当)不需要动一根手指。下一步是什么?前往白马狗?我写这甚至在我读完了你的帖子,由于其巨大的长度。你的报告是与喀喇昆仑的持续时间和它肯定与赞美友谊公路的数量从朋友。我也要赞扬你的无畏的精神和毅力面对逆境。布拉沃!

  10. 到外国论坛最好学会沉默,除非有人呼唤中国人来澄清事实。本来他们该怎么说就怎么说,没什么顾忌的,你一来,真话没有了,客套话多起来了。不欣赏国人在国外显示存在感。当然,可以在帖子结束的时候参与。

  11. 别去别人论坛破坏生态了 搞的帖子一点意思都没有了 就好像你去国外旅游 结果景点全是中国人 甚至连商铺都是中国人开的 那还有什么风土人情 每次看到国人的留言 就有一种到了网易论坛的错觉