从这里了解印度人对中国的看法

韩国、中国,现在又轮到俄罗斯,日本人到底怎么了?

2014-10-04 21:00 40个评论 字号:

印度防卫论坛:韩国、中国,现在又轮到俄罗斯,日本人到底怎么了?两个月前的九月,日本就独岛与韩国连续争吵。十月份,日本与中国钓鱼岛爆发争端。到了现在十一月,日本正在与俄罗斯就南千岛群岛发生口角。日本人到底怎么了?日本人为什么不能停止挑衅邻国?面对韩中俄联盟,日本如何考虑自己所处的位置。

译者:ngageboy
来源:http://www.santaihu.com
外文:http://indiandefence.com/threads/korea-china-and-now-russia-whats-wrong-with-the-japanese.2640/

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Korea, China, and now Russia. What’s wrong with the Japanese?
Two months ago, in September, the Japanese had a row with the Koreans over the Dokdo islands.
In October, the Japanese had a dispute with China over the Daioyu islands.
It’s now November and the Japanese are having a spat with Russia over the Kuril islands.
What’s wrong with the Japanese? Why can’t the Japanese stop provoking its neighbors? How about a Korean-Chinese-Russian alliance to put the Japanese in their place?
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韩国、中国,现在又轮到俄罗斯,日本人到底怎么了?

两个月前的九月,日本就独岛与韩国连续争吵。

十月份,日本与中国钓鱼岛爆发争端。

到了现在十一月,日本正在与俄罗斯就南千岛群岛发生口角。

日本人到底怎么了?日本人为什么不能停止挑衅邻国?面对韩中俄联盟,日本如何考虑自己所处的位置。

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译者:ngageboy
来源:http://www.santaihu.com/2014100406.html

Siegecrossbow
So much for the Warmongering Chinese theory lol

(证明)中国人好战的理论太多太多,大笑

samzhang2014(中国)回复Siegecrossbow
give an example from 1949 until now, China hold any wars?

举个1949年至今的例子,中国发动了哪场战争?

 

Capt.Popeye
The Japanese stance is not surprising. IMO, the Japanese have never been able to shrug off their “imperial hangover”. It has remained dormant, but has never ever been eradicated. Therein lies the roots of the problem.

对于日本人的立场来说不足为奇。在我看来,日本人从来没有摆脱他们的“帝国后遗症”。这种后遗症从来没有被根除,而只是处于休眠状态罢了。这就是潜藏问题的根源。

 

Martian
This is a very simple issue:

1) Did China discover the Daiyou islands? Yes.

2) Did Japan, through the power of the gun and imperialism, steal the Diayou islands from China circa 1895? Yes.

3) Does China want the Diayou islands back? Yes.

4) Are Pentagon hawks providing the necessary military support to enable Japan to continue its illegal occupation of the Daiyou islands? Yes.

5) Is the military technological gap closing between China and the Pentagon hawks? Yes.

6) Ergo, within a few decades, China will push the Pentagon hawks out of East Asia and reclaim its Daiyou islands.

This is inevitable. Justice will not be denied. Daiyou islands were discovered by China, belonged to China, stolen by Japan at the point of a gun, and will be recovered by China.

这是一个很简单的问题:
1. 中国有没有首先发现钓鱼岛?有
2. 在1895年,日本有没有通过枪炮和帝国主义力量窃取了中国钓鱼岛?有
3. 中国是否希望要回钓鱼岛?是
4. 美国五角大楼的鹰派有没有为日本继续非法占领钓鱼岛提供必要的军事支持?有
5. 中国和美国五角大楼鹰派之间是否存在军事技术差距?是的
6. 几十年里,中国一直致力于将五角大楼鹰派逼出东亚并收回钓鱼岛
这是不可避免的,正义不容否认。钓鱼岛是中国最先发现,自古以来属于中国,只是被日本用了点枪炮给偷走的,迟早要被中国收回。

INDIAN NATIONALIST回复Martian
The islands are uninhabited; this is an issue of strategic importance to the military and of no direct importance otherwise. There is no one to make popular referendum as to which nationality they consider themselves part of. The first mention of the islands is in Chinese texts but the islands were formally annexed by Japan. It’s difficult to say who they should belong to.

Of course, it is in our interest as Indians that Japan maintain its control.
Although I wish it were Indians setting such a strong precedent.

这是无人岛,问题是其重要的军事战略意义,否则就不那么重要了。(因为没人)所以就没人能用全民公投的方式决定他属于哪个国家的一部分。这是第一篇提到这些岛屿是属于中国的文章,但是那些到已经被日本正式吞并了。这就很难说它们到底属于谁。
当然,如果日本人维持其控制,这是符合我们印度人利益的。
不过我希望是由印度人来制定如此强大的先例。

CountryFirst回复INDIAN NATIONALIST
If it belongs to CHina, then it should go to China. We shouldn’t let our interests come into play here.

如果它属于中国,那么就应该让它回归中国。我们不应该因为我们的利益而在中间产生影响。

Smestarz回复CountryFirst
and who says it belongs to China? Well, in our ancient history, we have recorded about the moon, So should we send the Americans the bill for using moon for landing. The rent etc?

Those islands are uninhabitated, but if whoever controls now, controls them should be the rule. After all in past history, situations have changed, and that is how history is, In past, Greeks did rule all of turkey and even Cyprus, so that way, the greeks can claim half of Europe and they would have to argue with France, Spain, Italy, British, the Macedonians and the Russians…

谁说它属于中国的?那么,在我们古代历史上,我们记录的月亮,所以我们应该对美国佬登陆月球而寄账单收租金吗?
这些岛屿是无人居住的,但是谁现在控制它们,它们就属于谁这就是规则。毕竟在过去的历史中,情况已经改变,那已经是历史了。在过去,希腊人控制了整个土耳其甚至塞浦路斯,这样的话,希腊人就能声称半个欧洲都是他们的,不过就得和法国、西班牙、意大利、英国、马其顿还有俄罗斯争个半天啦。

INDIAN NATIONALIST回复CountryFirst
Historic precedent would indicate that the PRC will always put their interests above India whether the resolution to the issue at hand is just or unjust or whether it should involve the PRC at all. So to uphold a precedent of reciprocity India should set the same standard against the PRC’s interests.

历史先例证明中国始终将自己的利益置于印度之上,所以分辨手头的问题是否公正,应该将中国包括在内。所以要从印度得到利益,那么中国也对等拿出相同的利益。

Smestarz回复Martian
When the islands were possibly discovered, the Chinese might be group of kingdoms which were fighting each other, so who owns the islands?

India might claim that we discovered Sri Lanka and so we should have the right over it,

In present times, the Japanese control the islands, the Chinese hold claims,
so China can claim whatever they want, Sorry, it does not make sense,

Best is to have discussion rather than claim…

Further on the same way, China should withdraw from Tibet, as it was a free country that was over run by PLA,

Since Tibet is more recent issue, let them solve the Tibet issue and them claim those islands,

Guess that is Fair .

当岛屿被发现时,中国人可能与一群王国相互争斗,所以谁拥有了那些岛屿?
印度也行会说,我们发现了斯里兰卡,所以我们应该拥有它对吧?
现如今,日本人控制了那些岛屿,中国人有权申索,所以中国可以宣称任何他们想要的,抱歉,那没有任何意义。
最好是讨论,而不是申索。

而且以同样的方式,中国应该从XZ撤出,因为它在解放军进入前是一个独立的国家。
自从XZ最近发生的问题以来,使得他们解决了XZ问题和他们申索的那些岛屿。
我猜那很公平

Marlboro回复Smestarz
You look horrible! And you make us sick!
India annexed the Sikkim in 1975.

你好可怕!你让我们病(要我们命)!
印度在1975年吞并了锡金。

 

Criminally
i am feel very bad for china…..

我对中国的感觉很糟糕…

INDIAN NATIONALIST回复Criminally
Don’t kid yourself. China has done as much and worse to populations within its own country, including inflicting sadistic torture against certain religions and monks. Chinese culture is great, I have nothing against it, but with historic precedent, it can be no less sadistic sometimes.

Only difference is Chinese was weak and got taken advantage of this time. Traditionally China was the superpower of their subcontinent and was responsible for the aggression in their neighborhood.

别自欺欺人了。中国对自己国内的人做了太多太糟糕的事了,其中包括对某些宗教和僧侣的迫害。中国文化是伟大的,这点我不否认,但历史证明,它可没少癫狂的时候。

一般来说,中国是次大陆上的超级大国,并且往往会侵略周边国家。唯一不同的是当中国虚弱时就要把握这个好时机。

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  1. 但是谁现在控制它们,它们就属于谁这就是规则。 那明天我们去占领新德里,那新德里就是我们的了?SB啊。按你这阿三的逻辑,那世界永远处理战争中,今天你占了说是你的,明天我占了说是我的,那不天天动乱。 占一百年也是中国的,联合国都说了,先占先得。而是不是后占后得。

  2. 公元贰零壹肆年夏,日本国使使入天竺,相穆迪面之。乃列兵阵,示锋镝于日使。适有阿囧水柜过于阵前,穆迪仰天大笑,以手示之曰:“吾之水柜有三极立于天下也,时长之极,赀货之极,品质之极;汝蚍蜉小国之使,亦知之乎?”日使亦笑而应曰:“汝有阿囧,吾亦有拾式敌之!”穆迪色变,起更衣,归时不复比日使而坐。

  3. 对于这种讨论我向来无感,因为我觉得这个世界上各国只信奉谁的拳头大谁是老大,国与国之间只看实力,什么先到先得的话说了都没用,实力够了威逼、利诱、阴谋、阳谋、明抢、豪夺、甚至是战争都可以上,赢了就是自己的,输了那就老实点该怎么办就怎么办了

    • 印度就是这个思维,印度国内媒体一直教导三哥,说西藏是中国侵占印度的,因为他爹英国曾经占领过西藏部分地区。

    • 三哥会说,你侵略印度了,你在印度没做好准备的情况下,突然袭击印度,我们确实喊得印中亲如兄弟,眯眯眼不按套露出牌,你们也英爱喊印中亲如兄弟,然后让我们打你一顿才是正确的。

  4. 我同意印度的观点,过去的就是过去的,现在的就是现在的,将来的再说,因此中国必须用实力拿回控制权,为将来的铺路,主权问题从来就没有商量和谈判的余地,几千年都是如此,政客的“搁置”就是默认现状——–。

      • 藏南地区经过印度这些年的统治,拿回来也不好治理,再说藏南在喜马拉雅山的南麓,和西藏地区之间有世界最大的山脉,不好管理啊,道路很难修过去,毛时代也许就是因为这个原因,当时没用直接驻兵。

  5. 笑,我们当初病的快死了的时候都没能把我们撸下来,现在想撸得看你们有没有那个种!!敢觊觎中国的领土就要知道应该付出什么代价。老说撤出西藏撤出西藏,西藏的意思是我们西边的宝藏,新疆是新的疆土,自古以来,中国人就在那里!!!

  6. 顺便吐槽一下阿三。二战之后,阿三跟它所有邻国都发生过战争,肢解巴基斯坦,吞并锡金…这种国家压根就没有资格对别人评头论足。

  7. 从唐朝开始日本就不断打中国的注意,中日之间的第一次战争是663年8月进行的白江口之战。这1500年来日本就没让中国消停过。而且往回看历史每次发起战争的都是日本