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印度一家人在新疆和西藏旅行:青藏铁路的沿途风光(11)


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A wonderful journey, I come from Chinese. I think the blogger's many reply from highlighting his so-called "adventure" selfish, to India friends will lead to misunderstanding.

一次美妙的旅行。我是中国人。我觉得楼主的许多回复突显了其自私,可能导致印度朋友误解

kshil
Thank you for visiting this site, following this log and share your thoughts, this is the first Chinese perspective on this log and I appreciate your views. Your post hopefully reduce some misunderstanding that you thought to be created by this log.


Let me quickly respond with my points ag inst the points you raised.


谢谢你访问本站,关注本帖以及分享你的想法。


本帖头一次出现中国人的观点。希望你的发帖能够减少你认为的本帖所造成的某些误解。


我将一一回答你提出的问题。



 
量天尺
For example a: 1, in fact as long as you hold Chinese visa to Shanghai, Beig or njiang, Tib is no difference and the limits of the. The general notion that into njiang, Tib difficult to more refers to the relative inconvenience of traffic, far away. Not bloggers emphasize po itical or control reasons, bloggers with one family without adventure is heavy, can so easily traveled the two place is the best description.

1、只要你持中国签证,去上海、北京、或都没有区别。去和主要是交通不方便,路途遥远,不是楼主所强调的或管控原因。楼主带着一家人去冒险,轻松在两个地方旅行就是最好的说明

kshil
I wish that would have been true, if you visit Lonely Planet TT forum or Trip Advisor you would see people whoever wre njiang or Tib in their Visa application gets their visa rejected. Reason is unknown!! I hope one country should encourage tourists to visit not so developed region as it brings economical growth and prosperity to the region and Chinese understand the business very well. So I too would love to believe that it's nothing to po itical or any other control reasons but unfortunately couldn't by going through my personal experience. I didn't see any po itical or other turbulence as such in my short visit in either places and both places look quite calm and peaceful but still why Chinese are so skeptic in issuing visa, I don't know that reason.


我也希望你说的是真的。如果你浏览Planet TT和 Trip Advisor等网站,你会发现大家说去或的签证申请被拒绝。原因未知!


我希望,作为一个国家,应该鼓励游客去不太发达的地区观光,此举能够给当地带来经济增长和繁荣,而中国人应该深谙生意之道的。


我也乐意相信这不是原因,也不是其他管控原因,不幸地是从个人经历来看并非如此。


观光期间,我并未看到任何骚乱,两个地方看起来相当平静与和平。为什么中国人发放签证时又成为了怀疑论者。我不知道个中原因。



 
量天尺
In 2, Kashi city go nment does not prohibit any person to enter, or to Chinese go nment, police control ability blogger, you are not to go into the no photos. You're not 007 but one family.

2、喀什市政府并未禁止任何人进入.....你们不是007,而是一家人在旅游

kshil
Without active help of my guide's friend, I would never be able to visit Kashgar old town which according to me the real historical Kashgar that I wanted to visit, I spent so much not to see the characterless, all same apartment style multi-storied buildings that we can see in Beig and Shanghai and any Chinese big cities. It's completely restricted in the ground of safety to tourists specially foreigners. Now when we gone there we saw people are still living in those houses and Chinese Gt doesn't worry about their safety but worried about tourist's safety who might go there for few hours, this is a stunning double standards from the Gt. I wish I could be 007, then could see many such interesting things that Chinese might not want to show the world


要不是我导游的朋友的积极帮助,我可能永远也参观不了喀什古城。在我看来,喀什古城才是应该看的。我花那么多钱,不是来看毫无特 色、千篇一律的多层公寓大楼,这些大楼在北京和上海以及任何中国城市遍地都是。出于游客安全的原因,那里是完全受限制的区域,特别是对外国游客。当我们进去看了后,发现人们仍然住在那种破房子里,中国不担心他们的安全,而是担心起了可能只在那里呆几个小时的游客的安全,这是双重标准嘛。我希望我是007, 那样就能看到中国人不愿意向外部世界展示的很多此类有趣事情。



 
量天尺
3, as for the "anety of Tibans face" that is completely your assumptions and biases inherent, living in the Qinghai Tib Plateau due to hypoa and strong ultraviolet radiation are generally such exp ion, part of what the nation. Want to understand what ideas do not attempt to Tib to communicate with them, discuss only Cognitive Inertia on their own and conclude that assumption? What the man in black is the city manager, as long as the supervision of chaos chaos before buy is not the police.

至于“忧虑的面孔”,那完全是你的假设和偏见。由于海拔高,氧气不足,紫外线强烈,生活在青藏高原的人本来就是这种表情......

kshil
Absolutely my assumptions, I didn't ask those Tibans in photograph if they were really anous. But with limited english with whomever Tibans I got chance to speak they either didn't want to say anything out of fear and vented up their frustration. As per them China don't issue them passport, don't give them ample medical facilities and basic amenities in rural Tib. But that's common across world, many people want their Gt to do more for them and honestly I didn't get a chance to speak to any Chinese on what they think about Tib, all actually think this topic as untouchable and extremely sensitive, which I didn't like, people may have concern, Gt may have more concerns but those should be discussed openly. Thanks for sharing your views from Chinese side here, it's necessary to discuss a topic with all concerned to understand the underlying truth.


当然是我的假设。我并未问照片中的是否真的忧虑。但是与少数会说一 点英语的交流之后,我发现他们出于畏惧而不愿意多言。据他们说,中国不给他们发放护照,不给农村地区的人们提供足够的医疗设施和 基本的福利设施。不过这在全世界都是普遍情况,许多人对政府抱着过多的要求。老实说,我并未有机会与任何一位中国人聊他们对的看法,大家都认为这个话 题是不可触碰的,认为是非常敏感的。我就不喜欢这样,人们也许会有关切的问题,政府也会有,为什么不拿出来公开讨论呢。感谢你分享中国人的观点



 
量天尺
4, as for the X optical scanning as the go nment responsible person who I think it is absolutely necessary, because these areas had more serious violence. For reasons of public security it is no ground for blame.

至于X光扫描,相关人员认为这绝对是必要的,因为那些地方出现过较多严重事件。这是出于公众安全,没有理由去责怪他们

kshil
I support like all other countries China's concern to its own national threat and security, we ourselves are victim of this doubtfully ideological ist Movement in India and for that if Indian Gt puts scanner in every village of Chattisgarh, I don't mind. So if China thinks it's for public security it must be there but for tourists it's a pathetic situation to get scanned in every 50 meters...


My sole objective of the trip was enjoying the beauty of China in these reme regions and Tib and njiang and what I saw there was zing, I can't remember any place in earth having so rich culture and natural beauty. Never in my trip I was bothered in any way by any local or Gt agency and my trip was very peaceful and hasslefree. So I have no intention to analyze or discuss any in dent from po itical or other disputed angle, replied here as you raised few questions. My only request to Chinese Gt would be to encourage tourism in these areas of njiang, Gansu, Inner Mongolia, Qinghai, Tib, Sichuan, Yunan where people would be stunned to see the landscape and various culture. That would help China economically and help the others to get a broader perspective on how beautiful and versatile the planet earth is.


Hope you would follow the rest of the log and let us know about your views.


跟其他国家一样,中国也担心国家安全,我表示支持。


在印度,我们也是派运动的受害者。为此,印度政府在恰蒂斯加尔邦的每个村放置了扫描器,我对此表示不介意。


既然中国认为这是出于公众安全的需要,那就必须落实,但是对游客每隔50米扫一次就有点悲哀了。


我此行的唯一目的是欣赏中国边远地区和的美景的,我所看到的景色太神奇了。我想不起地球上有哪个地方拥有如此丰富的文化和漂亮的自然景观。旅行期间,我从未受当地人打扰,也并不受政府机构阻拦,我的旅行非常平和,未遇到任何麻烦。


所以我无意从或者其他存争议的角度来分析或讨论任何事件。既然你提出了几个问题,我也就一一回答了。


我对中国的唯一恳求是,鼓励、甘肃、内蒙古、青海、、四川和云南等地旅游业的发展,人们看到当地的美丽景色和不同文化会惊讶的。此举不仅对中国经济有帮助,而且能让其他人获得更广阔的视野,了解到这个地球是多么漂亮,多么具有多样性。


希望你继续关注本帖,让我们知道你的观点。



Scenery Changes every minute:

风景每时每刻都在改变

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Clouds are adding dimensions:

云朵增加了维度

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The Rail gate though not like our level crossing, shows a glimpse of unpaved road of rural Tib:

铁路地下通道的大门,跟我们的平交道口不一样。这里可以一瞥农村未铺路面的路

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To prect fragile ecosy em, powers are mostly generated from non-conventional sources and a lot of wind mills and solar energy sy em you would see:

为了保护脆弱的生态系统,当地都是非常规发电,可以看到大量风力发电和太阳能系统

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