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印度一家人在新疆和西藏的一个月旅行(4)



Kanas Lake fed from Altai glaciers drains through Kanas River:

喀纳斯湖水源来自阿尔泰冰川,通过喀纳斯河流出

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神奇的景色,秋色与雪峰相互衬托

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vaibhav666

The visa formalities that you mentioned brought back memories from my preparations for Iceland. Especially...booking the airtickets, advance hel bookings (which I didn't do eventually ), and the 1lac bank bnce.

Is there a vacancy for a bachelor in your Lhasa trip next time? Or just married people. I will even get married for the trip...just let me know in advance.

So while entering Tib through Nepal in a group of 5, it is possible to take our bikes like the Royal Enfield team did?

你提到的签证办理手续勾起了我当年为申请冰岛签证所做准备的回忆。

特别是预订机票、预订酒店和10万卢比的存款

下次去拉萨旅行,是否有单身汉的空位?还是说要已婚的。为了去拉萨,我愿意付出结婚的代价。提前通知我即可。

如果五人组从尼泊尔进入,是否可能带上自行车?

kshil
Vaibhav, next Lhasa trip can be done without family, so does it matter if one is bachelor or married? You are most welcome in any future trip. Entry with Bike or Car is possible atleast theoretically but certainly invites more paperwork and need support of a reputable agency in Tib side. You can't do anything alone there, may be the bikes would be escorted by Land Cruiser and Guide for which you have to pay, Chinese knows well how to make money


下次去拉萨可以不用带家人的,所以单身与否重要吗?


你总是受欢迎的。带上自行车或开车应该是可以的,至少理论上如此。不过肯定会要付出更多的文书工作,至少那边得有信誉好的机构给你支持。单靠自己啥也干不成。也许自行车可以搭乘丰田陆地巡洋舰,不过你得花钱。你懂的,中国人深谙赚钱之道。



 
Ladakh_Maniac
You are really different boss.
Hats off to your adventure spirit.
Adventure is not just jum from sky and diving deep in ocean. Going to China, and to those areas where even Chinese do not dare to visit is no less than an extreme adventure.

I can imagine how much of effort would have gone into the preparation part to the limited info areas, apart from the actual journey which itself is a full month. I wonder and ask you again the same question that I asked in your Kashmir log that how do you manage to get such huge vacations.

And many many thanks for sharing all the little details of the meticulous planning you did which will serve as guidebook for any traveler to those regions.

Waiting for full log to unfold. It is said that morning shows the day. So since the teaser itself had more than 100 brilliant photographs which has set tone for at least 2000 pictures in the main story.

向你的冒险精神致敬。

并非空中跳伞和深海潜水才是冒险。去中国,特别是去连中国人都不敢去的地方,不亚于一次极端冒险。

可以想象你事先为进入这一消息闭塞地区做了多少准备工作,付出了多少努力,单单旅行本身就花了你整整一个月。

上次在你的克什米尔游记就已经问过你了,这次再问一下,你是如何申请到那么长的假期的啊

非常感谢你分享每一个细节,对有意前往那些地区的驴友是一份不错的指导。

kshil
LM, yes true that it needs a lot of effort in research and preparation but every penny worth!! Managing vacation is difficult, but I started telling people in office about this trip 2 years back and since then I was planning for it, so it was not a surprise, they knew my project was signed off much earlier than company's project where I was working Aha you changed the photo count to 100 from earlier 50, I didn't notice that, yes let's see if I could post 2000 snaps in the whole log, only thing is that it should be loaded in your comp


是的,研究和准备工作需要付出很大努力,但是每一点的付出都是值得的!


请假是困难的,不过我两年前就开始对办公室的同事说起这次旅行。自那以后,我一直在做计划,所以并不足为奇。


他们知道,我的项目很早就签掉了...



 
Alpha
this is incredible stuff !!

难以置信!

 
drk
Kaushik ji,
must admit that you managed to fool the Chinese in a big way-
who gave you these ideas?
or you discovered them on your own.
It was a BIG 'risk' (no other word comes to my mind).
with your family,
and the rewards are worth it.
It is we fellows who are lucky,
having travelled with you through this travelogue,
without the risk and money spending.
This was indeed a journey of lifetime-
and it is easier to reach the South Pole probably,
than carry out what you did.
did you meet any Indians during your trip,
please feel free to write about your experiences in detail,
and keep pouring the narration as well.
You must have a lot of stories to tell.

必须承认,你彻底地欺骗了中国人

谁给你出的主意?

还是你自己发现的。

这是一个大大的冒险啊,而且是带着一家人

获得的回报是值得的

我们是幸运的家伙,有幸通过这篇游记与你一起旅行。既不用冒险,也不用花钱

确实是值得一辈子回味的旅行,说不定去南极还更简单呢。

你旅途中有没有遇到其他印度人

请尽管详述你的经历

打开你的话匣子说吧,你肯定有很多故事要拿出来分享。

kshil
If I know the Chinese, I don't think we are making fool of them, they definitely know about this gap and anyway if there is any disturbance / trouble anywhere, they may stop you to enter that area or even if you are there they might force you to leave the place in 24 hours notice, many times it happened in Tib and njiang. But just openly allowing foreigners to apply to Tib might have some technical difficulties as you need permit and specially for countries like India, the rule is vague, the embassies here clearly state only group travel for re gious purpose is allowed in Tib (atleast they are empowered to process such cases) but no where it's clearly mentioned if Indians can enter Tib individually if they have the Chinese visa and then get subsequent permit on top of that. Finally Tib Tourism is big boost in Chinese economy and they definitely won't like to loose that money unless it poses serious threat to their internal security.


I repeat, Chinese don't want you to be honest, they want you to be correct.


No not my idea or I discovered this, all foreigners who visit Tib follow this same principle, If you want to apply for Tib in Visa Application, you need a TTB issued invitation letter ag inst your name and passport which is extremely difficult to get, so people seeks the easier way.


我认为我并未在欺骗他们。


如果有干扰或麻烦之处,他们会阻止你进入,甚至限你24小时内离开。这种事情在和发生很多次了。


外国人公开申请入藏也许会面临某些技术困难,因为你需要许可证,特别是如果你来自印度等国家,规定是模糊的。大使馆明确声明以为目的的团体旅行才可以进入,但是并未明确提到持有中国签证的印度人是否可以单独进入,是否可以在签证基础之上获得许可证。


最后,旅游业是中国经济的一大推动力,他们肯定不会想失去这笔财富,除非你会给他们的内部安全带来严重威胁。


重申一下,中国人不需要你老实,他们需要的是你“做得正确”


这不是我个人的主意,也不是我发现的,所有去的外国游客都遵循这一原则。如果你想申请赴的签证,你需要TTB发布的邀请信,而这是非常困难的,所以人们采取简单的方法。


The major risk I perceive is writing my heart out or narrating something I saw but Chinese don't like, just before my trip say 3/4 weeks before I received lot of friend request in FB and emails asking me specifically about my A trip from Chinese people whom I don't know, I didn't answer most of them but if they really read this report and find something objectionable (which they might easily find), I don't know if I get my next visa so easily for China


Chinese are masters of mon oring on every information, may be coin dental but just see on an average any Chinese log in BCMT has got lot many number of views, my log just started got more number of views than many other quality logs and I doubt if all those viewers are genuine readers who are interested to know about China. Suddenly even in this forum I found few Chinese friends hope it's just coin dental


But certainly I would keep expressing my views on what I have seen or experienced in this trip.


最大的风险是我把内心想法写出来,或者叙述了一些被我看到但是中国人不喜欢的东西。


出发前3-4个星期,很多朋友在facebook或者发邮件问,特别是关于我在a的旅行,来自我不认识的中国人。很多问题我没有回复,如果他们看了本帖,找到一些有异议的内容(这种内容他们可以轻易找到),不知道我下次申请中国签证是否会那么容易。


就信息而言,中国可谓是专家了。



 
amit_shimla
Truly Mesmerizing.

真迷人啊

 

kshil

河边步行道

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唯一汇入北冰洋的亚洲河流——额尔齐斯河

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喀纳斯自然保护区内的漂亮景色

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Tuvan Village

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从喀纳斯通往贾登峪的公路

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The Hel at Jiayu:

贾登峪酒店

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