从这里了解印度人对中国的看法

印度一家人在新疆和西藏的一个月旅行(4)

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三泰虎9月19日译文,印度网友kshil:“对小百姓来说,最简单的方法是坐飞机进入中国。签证要求是一样的。有一 点要记住,从第三国(你在该国旅行,不是该国公民)获取中国签证总是困难和不确定的。在我们开始中国之旅前,中国驻吉尔吉斯斯坦大使馆突然停止向非吉尔吉 斯斯坦公民发放签证,导致欧洲很多有志经陆路完成旅行的外国人不得不中途放弃。所以你计划从其他国家进入中国之前,请做好相应路线和签证准备。”

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com
外文标题:One Month Family Trip to Xinjiang, China’s Central Asia and incredible Tibet
外文地址:http://www.bcmtouring.com/forum/travelogues-around-world-f68/one-month-family-trip-xinjiang-china-s-central-asia-incredible-tib%t-t55652-21/

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译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com/2014091902.html

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Visa and Flights to China

签证问题和飞往中国的航班

There are many land borders of China with neighboring countries except with India, I knew of crossing overland to China from following countries:

1. Myanmar – With some requirement of additional permits fromMuse to Ruili but note in Myanmar side you need special permits as these belt is infamous for Kachin militants, permit is not cheap either.

2. Laos

3. Vietnam – You can cross even in Train from Nanning

4. North Korea – Train crossing possible.

5. Russia – Only possible through Trans Manchurian Rail

6. Mongolia – Couple of borders along with possibility of using Trans Mongolian Rail

7. Kazakhstan – Both by road and train crossing possible.

8. Kyrgyzstan

9. Pakistan

10. Nepal

中国有很多陆地毗邻的国家。除了印度之外,我所知道的可以从陆地前往中国的国家分别有:

1、缅甸

2、老挝

3、越南

4、朝鲜

5、俄罗斯

6、蒙古

7、哈萨克斯坦

7、吉尔吉斯斯坦

9、巴基斯坦

10、尼泊尔

I have excluded Hongkong and Macau which are two special administrative region of China but you need separate Chinese visa to enter mainland china from either of these places. There are boat and road crossing between them.

So out of the above 10 countries which has overland border crossing with China, except Nepal, visa processing is same for others. This is more interesting topic of discussion who might have a dream of making it from Europe to Singapore overland as most likely you need to cross China sometimes (Unless India-Myanmar-Thailand overland is possible and you can get through Iran – Pakistan – India leg)

我把香港和澳门这两个中国特区排除在外。从这两个地方进入中国大陆需要另行签证。两地之间有水路和陆路过境站

在以上10个有陆路前往中国的国家中,除了尼泊尔之外,签证程序都是一样的。有人或许梦想从欧洲经陆路前往新加坡,这是一个有趣的讨论话题,你很可能要经过中国(除非走伊朗-巴基斯坦-印度-缅甸-泰国)

Other than that for lesser mortals, it’s much easier to fly into China, the visa requirement is same but it’s worth remembering one point, getting a Chinese visa from a third country (where you are traveling and not a citizen) is always difficult and dicey. Just before our trip in China, suddenly Chinese Govt stopped issuing visa from Kyrgyzstan embassy for non citizens and lots of foreigners who are making their ambitious Eurasian trip overland had to abort their trip midway. So when you plan to visit China through other countries, plan your route and visa accordingly.

对小百姓来说,最简单的方法是坐飞机进入中国。签证要求是一样的。有一点要记住,从第三国(你在该国旅行,不是该国公民)获取中国签证总是困难和不确定的。在我们开始中国之旅前,中国驻吉尔吉斯斯坦大使馆突然停止向非吉尔吉斯斯坦公民发放签证,导致欧洲很多有志经陆路完成旅行的外国人不得不中途放弃。所以你计划从其他国家进入中国之前,请做好相应路线和签证准备。

Also whatever process I will describe below is actually what I experienced in Chinese consulates in India, a lot of people have different experiences in getting Chinese visa from one consulate to others in same time. So it depends on the consulate where you are applying for, check the history of it in some international travel forum. The Chinese visa rule changes very frequently as well, so before your trip, keep yourself updated with the process from local consulates.

我下面要介绍的实际上是我在中国驻印度领事馆的经历。每个人申请中国签证的经历都不同,这取决于你向哪个领事馆申请签证。可以去某些国际旅游论坛上看看别人的经历。中国签证规则频繁更改。出发之前,请保持向当地领事馆获取最新信息。

In India, there are 3 consulates, in Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkata and they have their respective jurisdiction and as of when I asked them last,

People having passports issued from Gujarat, Maharashtra and Karnataka can apply in Mumbai

People having passports issued from West Bengal, Assam, Jharkhand, Bihar and Orisa can apply in Kolkata

Rest all have to apply in Delhi.

There are many different types of visa and for tourists, it’s the tourist visa (Type L) which you need to apply and that’s important as with work / student or other visas, getting permits (specially in Tibet) is extremely difficult. So whatever we will discuss it’s about Tourist Visa.

印度有3个中国领事馆,分别在德里、孟买和加尔各答,每个领事馆有各自的管辖范围。

护照是古吉拉特邦、马哈拉斯特拉邦和卡纳塔克邦发放的,可以向中国驻孟买领事馆申请签证;

护照是西孟加拉邦、阿萨姆邦、贾坎德邦、比哈尔邦和奥里萨邦发放的,可以向中国驻加尔各答领事馆申请签证;

其他的可以向中国驻德里大使馆申请签证。

游客签证有很多种,你应当申请的是L类游客签证。获得许可证是极其困难的,特别是要获得进入xz的许可证。所以我们将讨论的都是有关游客签证的事情。

The requirements were:

1. You need to have 6 months of validity in your passport on date of application.
2. Passport Issue should be within consulate jurisdiction as I mentioned above.
3. You need to fill up an application form with your photo.
4. A covering letter mentioning your intent of travel and a detail travel itinerary
5. Your 6 months bank statement signed and stamped by bank (Stupid that they don’t accept bank statement printout from net banking) where closing balance must be 1 lac per person (Means if you apply for your family of 3, you should have 3 lacs in your account)
6. Your confirmed proof of arrival and departure (Read Air Tickets and that’s the reason entering / exiting china overland is extremely difficult unless you catch an international train like Trans Siberian where you get physical ticket issued much earlier than your departure date)
7. Your confirmed hotel booking voucher in each place of stay (Yes for a 30 days trip, you need to show proof of hotel for all 30 days)

签证要求:

1、截止申请日,你护照的有效期必须满6个月;

2、如上所述,所持的护照必须是你所申请领事馆管辖地区发放的;

3、你必须填写一张申请表,并贴上个人照片

4、附上一封信,介绍你的旅行意图和详细的旅行路线;

5、你近6个月的银行对账单,且由银行盖章证明(他们不接受从网上银行打印的银行对账单),平均每个人的期终余额必须达到10万卢比(意思是,如果你3口之家申请签证,你银行账户里必须有30万卢比存款)

6、抵达和离开的证据(比如机票,这就是通过陆路进入中国非常困难的原因,除非你搭乘可以比出发日提早很多天拿到纸质火车票的国际列车)

7、每一站所预定酒店的凭单(是的,要是30天的旅行,你就应当出示30天预定酒店的所有证据)

You have to apply visa through their authorized visa processing agent (VFS Global) in respective cities where consulate is located.

Now most important is Chinese don’t understand that China is vast and people may have interest to see something else than Beijing / Shanghai / Guangzhou. Specially if you mention XUAR or TAR, you would most likely be declined your visa. Mention of TAR would not allow you to apply for visa with VFS, and makes it extremely complicated as VFS would direct you to Consulate directly who has clearly mentioned as their policy that Indians are allowed in Tibet as pilgrims only and in a group visa. So better don’t be honest here, be correct!!

你必须通过领事馆所在城市获得授权的签证处理机构(VFS Global)申请签证。

最重要的来了,中国人不明白他们国家有多么幅员辽阔,不懂得外国游客也许会突然有兴趣造访北京、上海和广州以外的地方。特别地,如果你提到xj或者xz,你很可能会被拒签。只要提到xz,你就别想通过VFS申请签证,事情会变得很复杂。VFS会叫你直接向领事馆申请。领事馆已经明确申明了签证政策,即印度人只能拿着团体签证以朝圣者的身份进入xz。所以,最好别老实!

So now you understand requirement 4, 6 and 7 would make your lives complicated, this mean you need a fictitious itinerary to start with and then support that with relevant documents. To write it simply, I prepared

所以,你们现在明白了吧,第4、6和7点会把你搞得焦头烂额。这意味着,你一开始就应当虚构一个旅程,然后找到相关文件来证明。为此,我做了以下准备:

1. Itinerary of 40 days covering Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Chengdu, Kunming, Xian etc. Itinerary of 40 days will make you eligible to get 60 days single entry visa which makes life little simple as otherwise for a long trip if you are delayed you are risking yourself to get into the tangle to visa extension. (normally they issue a 30 days single entry visa)

2. Then support it with hotel bookings, not a real problem as you can use many global booking engine to do this and then cancel it without any extra charge.

3. The real problem is air ticket, you need to either get a full fare air ticket which is fully refundable or you need to book something very cheap (may be like Air Asia) which you can throw away. All Chinese Airlines have minimum cancellation charges of 500 Yuan, (Approx 5500 INR per ticket) for discounted tickets, Air India has slightly lower cancellation fees. This you can’t escape and it’s better to consider your loss as part of visa fees.

1、(虚构)40天的旅行,包括北京、上海、广州、成都、昆明、西安等城市。申请40天的旅行,意味着你可以拿到有效期60天的单次入境签证。如此一来,可以省却麻烦,以防长途旅行时中途耽搁,到时候你就陷入了如何延长签证的麻烦了(通常,他们发放的是有效期30天的单次入境签证)

2、然后就拿出酒店预订凭单来证明。这个不算啥问题。有很多全球酒店预订网可以帮上忙,到时候取消就是,无需任何额外费用。

3、真正的问题是机票。你得预订可以全额退款的机票,或者预订廉价机票(比如亚洲航空的),到时候直接丢弃即可。中国航空公司收取的最低退票费都是500元(大约每张机票5500卢比),印度航空公司的退票费会低一些。这是无法避免的,就当做签证费用的一部分得了。

Air Connectivity:

Following Airlines were the choice for you to get your real and fictitious tickets.

Chinese:

1. Air China – Connects Delhi – Beijing and Mumbai – Chengdu (Seasonally connects Bangalore to Chengdu too)
2. China Southern – Connects Delhi – Guangzhou
3. China Eastern – Connects Kolkata – Kunming

Indian:

1. Air India – Connects Delhi – Shanghai
2. Jet – Connects Delhi – Shanghai
3. Spice Jet – Connects Delhi – Guangzhou

以下航空公司供你选择:

中国

1、中国航空公司,德里-北京,孟买-成都(还有季节性的航班,从班加罗尔到成都)

2、中国南方航空公司,德里-广州

3、中国东方航空公司,加尔各答-昆明

印度

1、印度国有航空公司,德里-上海

2、印度捷特航空公司 德里-上海

3、印度香料航空 德里-广州

You won’t get any direct connection to Xinjiang from India, rather you have to change flight somewhere in China and more eastern port of entry you choose, longer will be your flying time and cost to Xinjiang as it’s in extreme west, flight time is almost same as Coast to Coast flights of US

You might buy an air ticket to Lhasa via Kunming/ Guangzhou etc. when you book it with international leg but it’s not at all recommended because to board Lhasa flight from anywhere you need to produce original Tibet Permit which is extremely difficult to get before entering China as they don’t send your permit abroad. So discuss with your agent on how you can make it. Only international connection of Lhasa is from Kathmandu where again your boarding will be denied if you can’t produce Tibet Permit but that’s a separate story we will discuss when we talk about permits from Nepal.

你无法直接从印度进入xj,得在中国某个地方转机,xj处于遥远的西部,飞行时间较长,几乎相当于从美国东海岸到西海岸的飞行时间。

你也许会购买经昆明或广州前往拉萨的国际航班机票,但是不推荐,因为从任何地方登上飞往拉萨的航班,你都得出示入藏许可证,而进入中国之前要获得该许可证是相当困难的,他们不会向境外发放许可证的。所以,你得找你的代理机构商量如何拿到。唯一直飞拉萨的国际航班来自加德满都,但是你登机前如果出示不了许可证,也会被拒绝。

 

Day4:

This was the day to explore the Kanas Nature Reserve more thoroughly for the whole day, we started in the morning but the whole reserve is more than 10000 sq km and too large to explore even in one month, so we started our visit with the three most famous bends of nine beautiful bends Kanas river took here, the names are dramatic (Sleeping Dragon Bay, Moon Bay and Fairy Bay)

第4天

整天都在探索喀纳斯自然保护区。我们早上出发,但是喀纳斯自然保护区面积超过1万平方公里,一个月也逛不完,所以我们就参观了喀纳斯湖最著名的卧龙湾、月亮湾和神仙湾。

卧龙湾

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月亮湾

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神仙湾

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泛舟是喀纳斯湖主要吸引人的地方之一

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