从这里了解印度人对中国的看法

印度人是世界上的三等公民

2014-09-10 10:30 84个评论 字号:

三泰虎9月10日译文。印度时报副编辑Jug Suraiya撰文称,是否应该把印度通行证(passports)称作“阻行证”(stop-ports),持印度通行证的人通常被禁止进入外国,甚或被谢绝过境。这种情况一直在发生。最近,Bunny的堂兄和他妻子打算去看望在美国定居的女儿,飞往美国的路上经过多伦多机场,被加拿大当局拒绝过境,家庭计划随之被毁。原因呢?他们并未持加拿大签证。

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com
外文标题:Indians are third-class citizens of the world
外文地址:http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/jugglebandhi/indians-are-third-class-citizens-of-the-world/?intenttarget=no

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Should Indian passports be called ‘stop-ports’, in that people who have them are routinely stopped from entering foreign countries, or even transiting through them?

This happens all the time. Recently, Bunny’s cousin and his wife who were going to visit their daughter who is settled in the US had their family plans ruined when the Canadian authorities refused them permission to transit through Toronto airport on their flight to the US. The reason? They did not have a Canadian visa.

是否应该把印度通行证(passports)称作“阻行证”(stop-ports),持印度通行证的人通常被禁止进入外国,甚或被谢绝过境。

这种情况一直在发生。最近,Bunny的堂兄和他妻子打算去看望在美国定居的女儿,飞往美国的路上经过多伦多机场,被加拿大当局拒绝过境,家庭计划随之被毁。原因呢?他们并未持加拿大签证。

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They argued that since they are not going to actually enter the country, but would only be in a cordoned-off area in the airport, and as such there was no logical reason why they should require visas. Such reasoning was of no avail. If you are unfortunate enough to have an Indian passport, you cannot even pass through a Canadian airport without a visa. What next? That if you have an Indian passport you can’t even look at a map of Canada without a visa?

他们辩解称,他们并非真的要进入加拿大,只是呆在机场的一个隔离区域,所以没有理由获取签证。然而,这种推理不起作用。如果你不幸拿着印度护照,且没有加拿大签证的话,那么就别想通过加拿大机场。下一步呢?你要是拿着印度护照,且没有加拿大签证的话,你连加拿大地图都不能看?

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Canada is not the only country where an Indian passport is treated like a stop-port. A couple of years ago, Bunny was denied entry to Finland. Why? Because though she had a valid Schengen visa – which Finland accepts – it was stamped not on her new passport but on her old passport which was stapled onto the new one. The US, and all European Union countries, accept valid visas stamped in an old passport, if this is attached to the new passport. But not Finland. Bunny was turned back from Heathrow airport where she was to board the flight to Helsinki, losing out on the airfare and the hotel in Finland that had already been paid for.

加拿大并非是唯一把印度护照当做“阻行证”的国家。几年前,Bunny被拒绝进入芬兰。为什么?虽然她拿着有效的申根签证——芬兰承认这一签证——但章不是盖在新的护照上,而是盖在旧的护照上,而两个护照是钉在一起的。美国以及所有欧盟国家接受有效签证盖在旧的护照上,如果旧的护照与新的护照是附着在一起的。但是芬兰不接受。Bunny在希思罗机场被拒绝,她原本打算在那里乘坐飞往赫尔辛基的航班,机票钱和在芬兰预定酒店的钱都化为泡影。

To add insult to financial injury, some other passengers who were not Indians but who also had a similar visa problem were allowed entry by the Finnish authorities. The message was clear: if you have an Indian passport, you’re not just a second-class citizen of the world but a third-class citizen.

雪上加霜的是,其他同样面临类似签证问题的非印度旅客却被芬兰当局放行了。传达的信息是明确的:如果你拿着印度护照,你不仅是世界二等公民,而且是三等公民。

The reason for this is obvious, and known to everyone. Sixty-seven years after Independence, economic conditions for the majority of India’s population are so terrible that this country has become globally notorious for its illegal immigrants, who’ll risk any hazard to find employment and a new life in a foreign land.

原因是显而易见的,而且是众所周知的。独立67年了,印度大多数人口的经济状况非常糟糕,人们愿意冒着任何危险去外国寻找工作和开启新的生活,以致于这个国家在全球以非法移民而臭名昭著。

It is to India’s shame that the country forces so many of its citizens to become economic refugees, to be exploited and ill-treated in alien and often hostile climes. To make matters worse, the Indian government grants visas on arrival to citizens of Finland and many other countries which discriminate against Indian travellers.

令印度蒙羞的是,这个国家迫使她的许多公民成为经济难民,使其在外国土地上遭剥削和虐待。更糟糕的是,印度政府给芬兰公民以及许多歧视印度旅客的国家的公民发放落地签。

By doing this, our sarkar tacitly accepts that in the eyes of the global community, India is a third-class country of third-class citizens.

通过这样做,我们的教父心照不宣地在国际社会的眼中接受这一现状,即印度是三流国家的三等公民。

India’s new Prime Minister is known to be a no-nonsense person, who can not only talk tough but act tough when necessary. It’s time that countries which openly discriminate against Indian citizens be deterred from doing so by being given a taste of their own bitter medicine.

Canadian passport? Finnish passport? Sorry, no swagatam for you guys.

众所周知,印度新总理是一个严肃的人,不仅措辞上,而且必要时行动强硬。那些公开歧视印度公民的国家是时候予以克制了,这是自己在种下恶果。

加拿大护照?芬兰护照?抱歉…

以下是《印度时报》读者的评论:

译文来源:三泰虎 http://www.santaihu.com/2014091005.html

Ravi Teja

modi should talk to the finnish and canadian authorities strongly to get it solved.taking revenge will be a bad idea.

莫迪应该找芬兰和加拿大当局解决这个问题。采取报复措施是一个坏主意。

Prem Pujari

very very true. first of all we indians do not respect other indians. then how you can expect others to do the same. yes our new pm is no-nonsense person and hope he will instill a sense of hope for us all

非常真实。首先,我们印度人都不互相尊重,又怎能指望其他人尊重我们。我们的新总理的确是一位严肃的人,但愿他能给我们注入一丝希望。

iamdefinitelyandy

would delhi airport allow a pakistani transiting through delhi on the way to bangladesh with a changeover flight an entry without a visa? or vice versa for a bangladeshi passport holder. we have similar laws. then why are we so touchy about laws overseas. the canadian high commission website clearly states that in case of a change of flights to a 3rd country, passport holders of some countries (incl. unfortunately india) need a visa. why not simply follow the advice. we have made the canadian authorities do that as so many of us try to enter illegally or once inside illegally stay on. whose fault is that. they are trying to protect their borders just like us is trying against mexicans or we should be doing against illegal bangladeshis. nothing wrong with that.

德里机场会让巴基斯坦人在没有签证的情况下过境前往孟加拉国?我们也有类似的法律,为什么要对外国法律过敏?加拿大高级专员公署网站上明确阐述,如果要过境前往第三国,某些国家护照的持有者(不幸地是印度赫然在列)必须持有加拿大签证。为什么不听从劝告。是我们逼得加拿大出此下策的,许多印度人非法入境,非法滞留。谁的错?他们是在保护自己的国家,就像美国反对墨西哥人非法入境一样,或者类似我们反对非法入境的孟加拉国人一样。这并没有错

surender anantula

i do not agree with the author that indians are treated as third class citizens,then so many indians would not have settled in so many countries.i am aware of so many people known to me travelling to different countries have not experienced any of these problems and there are india centric rules except strict security check and safety standards are followed .please do not go by one specific case and generalise

我不认同作者的观点,即印度人被当做三等公民。否则怎么会有那么多印度人定居在不同的国家。我认识的很多人,进出不同国家,他们并未经历这类问题,不过有针对印度的较为严格的安检。请别把某个特定问题泛化。

prateek.jain3

Here author seems to have personal grudge with Indians.

作者对印度人似乎抱有个人厌恨。

Chaitanya

I personally do not agree with this blog of Mr.Jug `Suriya .I never faced such problem while travelling in Europe and US with an Indian passport.The case quoted by the writer may be some specific and one can not make a negative view on this as no body knows the reality . If it is an International flight to US through Canada, you don\\’t need a Canadian visa. Only if you disembark in Canada even for few hours and then take another domestic flight from Canada to US you will be required to have a Visa.What is wrong with this not able to understand?Actually speaking we Indians try to mislead and misinterpret the law of the foreign land.This is true that extra security is being taken in the case of Indian,but this may have some exceptions and can not be applied for all .Indians run the economy world over. Imagine if Indians were withdrawn from US, Canada, Gulf and similar countries, there economies will go at least a decade behind. We all indians must remain united in case of any problem .

个人不认同博主Jug Suriya先生的说法。我拿着印度护照去欧美时,从未遇到此类问题。这个案例可能是特例,不足以给出负面定论。如果是搭乘过境加拿大前往美国的国际航班,你不需要持加拿大签证。如果你在加拿大机场停留几个小时,转搭另一个国内航班前往美国,那么你需要持有加拿大签证。

这有什么错吗,有那么难理解吗?实际上是我们印度人在误解外国法律。的确存在针对印度人的特别安检。

印度人把生意做到全世界。想象一下,要是印度人从美国、加拿大、海湾国家等撤出,他们的经济至少倒退十年。

遇到问题时,我们印度人必需团结一致。

asokkj

if all indians are ‘withdrawn from us, canada, gulf and similar countries’, who will feed them and their families in india, certainly not modi. so before you bluff, be prepared to call it

如果印度人从美国、加拿大、海湾国家等撤出,那么谁来养活他们在国内的家人。当然莫迪不会去养,

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    • Imagine if Indians were withdrawn from US, Canada, Gulf and similar countries, there economies will go at least a decade behind. We all indians must remain united in case of any problem .印度人把生意做到全世界。想象一下,要是印度人从美国、加拿大、海湾国家等撤出,他们的经济至少倒退十年。遇到问题时,我们印度人必需团结一致。不不不、何止倒退十年,直接倒退到上个世纪。

  1. 这只是特例,甚至可能是伪造的。事实上,没有一个国家敢于忽视超级大国印度的感受。当然,穆迪姬应该制裁一下名单上的国家,让他们明白,即使特例,也不能是印度人。超级大国印度,拥有超级自尊

    • 当然如果那些国家制裁眯眯眼比制裁印度还狠。。。俺们印度就可以接受。。。起码。。。俺(穆迪)有充分的理由可以忽悠草民。。。

  2. BharatWe are third class citizens because we do not stick together, Brits over 200 hundred years used the divide and rule policy. We still follow it, as we have genetically changed. This will only change if we Indians stand united and stick for each other.我们之所以是三等公民,那是因为我们不团结。英国对我们采取的分而治之政策,我们仍然在遵循,我们的基因已经被改变了,天生就奴才样。除非所有印度人团结起来,否则这种情况不会改变。在白人主子面前,不光要跪舔,这巴掌抽的自己也是分外响亮啊!

    • 以牙还牙。用类似的方法对待加拿大公民(不包括拿着加拿大护照的印裔),对其他国家的公民也照搬这一方法。哪里疼就打哪里。同时,就这一问题向加拿大政府、芬兰政府和英国政府交涉。但是我们不会说这些屁话吧

    • 印度人把生意做到全世界。想象一下,要是印度人从美国、加拿大、海湾国家等撤出,他们的经济至少倒退十年。遇到问题时,我们印度人必需团结一致。你看你会说这些狗屁吗

    • 这让我想起了之前的中国护照免签的问题。他们对我们的歧视就不讲了。有个问题得说一下:国际上,免签是相互的,即中国对某国免签,该国也必须对中国免签。就现在中国的情况而言,中国不应该追求免签。弱国穷国和非洲所谓的国家就不说了,所谓为发达的、文明的国家,他们的国民来到中国表现又怎么样,不也是表现得一塌糊涂么?!所谓的文明素质也就那么回事。现在中国的经济在上升阶段,机会多,外国人来了必然抢中国人的机会,何况是在现在的洋奴心态很重的今天。如此,不仅增加了管理难度,而且容易滋生不公平甚至外交事件。有人说,没有了免签,出国不方便。试问:有出国需求的有多少人?10?20?还是90%?倘若是10%的话,这就是少数强奸多数,犯不上。(公务出国一般有外交管道处理,不走大使馆的)。他们是少数,去跑跑大使馆还能减减肥呢!为了这一小撮人搞免签,何苦呢!

  3. 三流的印度做着一流的梦想,人们常说“人穷志短,我看印度虽穷,但志比天高”,印度人是个怎样的怪种儿,地球人都知道,说穿了就是野蛮的人,人家不爱搭理它。

    • 人穷志短?俺们印度有句格言:衣衫褴褛,宰相之体;沿街乞讨,国王更吊。每个印度人都恪守这一格言,懂不

  4. 话说我有点混乱,在希斯罗机场属于不让出境啊,又不是在赫尔辛基不让入境,关芬兰什么关系,就算歧视你们也是你们的主子英国人歧视你们。

  5. prateek.jain3Here author seems to have personal grudge with Indians.作者对印度人似乎抱有个人厌恨。嗯。。。很有可能作者去过印度。。。受过打击。。。你们懂的。。。

  6. By doing this, our sarkar tacitly accepts that in the eyes of the global community, India is a third-class country of third-class citizens.通过这样做,我们的教父心照不宣地在国际社会的眼中接受这一现状,即印度是三流国家的三等公民。等你们出国旅游的人过亿。。。平均消费居然还排了第一的时候。。。现有的歧视就会消失。。。但会以其他歧视代替(比如街上会有印地语的-请勿随地便溺-)。。。加油吧三哥。。。你们追赶中国的路还很漫长。。。

  7. 印度人把生意做到全世界。想象一下,要是印度人从美国、加拿大、海湾国家等撤出,他们的经济至少倒退十年。还好啦。。。横竖极品5毛撑死了也就着水平吧。。。还是三哥威武。。。霸气。。。上档次啊。。。

  8. asokkjif all indians are ‘withdrawn from us, canada, gulf and similar countries’, who will feed them and their families in india, certainly not modi. so before you bluff, be prepared to call it如果印度人从美国、加拿大、海湾国家等撤出,那么谁来养活他们在国内的家人。当然莫迪不会去养,不行啦。。。笑的俺岔气了。。。知道三哥欢乐。。。但没料到还有续集。。。

  9. Chitral CheetahABCDs are by definition Americans. Whatever love and affection that they will have for India will be based on what their parents taught them. It is a mistake on our part to assume that children born abroad to Indian parents will have an inborn affinity for India. Many do not.在美国出生的印度人其实是美国人。他们对印度抱着何种情感,取决于他们父母是如何教导他们的。我们天真地以为在国外出生的孩子就会对印度有一种天生的亲和力,其实这是错的。许多人对印度并没有感情。俺还是那句话。。。教育很重要啊。。。

  10. krishnamurtiraoTit for tat. Treat Canadian citizens (not Indians holding Canadian pass port) in similar way. Treat all other countrymen who treat Indians in this way similarly. Hit them where it hurts them most. Meanwhile take this issue with Canadian and Finnish Govt and UK Govt.too. Let shake out our lethargy.krishnamurtirao以牙还牙。用类似的方法对待加拿大公民(不包括拿着加拿大护照的印裔),对其他国家的公民也照搬这一方法。哪里疼就打哪里。同时,就这一问题向加拿大政府、芬兰政府和英国政府交涉。皿煮也不是铁板一块啊(当然资本主义压根就和剥削和不公正是一体的嘛)。。。一点也不给超级皿煮大国印度面子。。。你们拿印度来说教中国的时候问过三哥的感受吗。。。

  11. 说三哥是奴才真是一点没说错。让白种人给打脸了,拼命给白爷爷找理由来证明是自己做错了。这要是换成中国,那还了得,网上不得炸开了锅?个个吃了伟哥似的跟你干,呵呵。

  12. Srinivasan GopalaraoIndia is a Feudal land with a facade of democracy . We were kept backward by idiotic concepts of socialism which were fed to us but in reality it was feudalism印度是一个戴着皿煮面具的封建国家。我们被灌输社会主义思想,导致一直落后其他国家,实际上那些是封建主义思想。שדגי חללם 。。。俺虽然也不认为自己句句都是靠谱的话,都对。。。但和这个三哥比。。。俺很负责的说。。。俺说话太靠谱了。。。

  13. Amakant ChaudharyAnd you thought speaking English will make you first amongst equals? You were wrong. Stick to indigenous languages and forge a new Indian identity under Super Modi.你们天真地以为说英语就能让你高人一等了?错啦!坚持说本国语言,在“超级莫迪”的领导之下,打造新的印度名片。哦。。。加了“超级”俩字。。。穆迪要是再外面穿个红裤衩披个斗篷就更给力了。。。记得要穿印度那种鞋尖长长并向上翘起的鞋呦。。。

  14. bhartiIndians are ruled by crooks印度人被一群恶棍统治着kamal.kar476Who elect crooks as leaders !是谁把那些恶棍选上去的!不选那些恶棍我能选谁! 就算我没选恶棍,选的是个善良的人,你觉得在印度他能当选吗!!!

  15. DeelipWe have just come out of Italian rule . Things are bound to improve under Modi who is a true patriot.我们刚刚从意大利人的统治中走出来。在真正的爱国者莫迪的领导下,事情必定会有很大改观。必定?。。。拿神马必定。。。实力还是意志。。。

  16. rakeshkatyal16I would want to see a day when US citizens line up in front of Indian embassy in Washington for an Indian visa. NaMo can do it, go for it.我翘首以盼美国公民在印度驻华盛顿大使馆门前排队等着发放印度签证的那一天。莫迪能行的,加油MoorthyWell said , I do join U.说得好,我和你想一块去了crazy_sunny3You’re living in a fool’s paradise..!你是在做黄粱美梦!美帝公民啥时候对户外踩屎运动趋之若鹜了。。。俺就可以恭喜三哥鸟。。。

    • 你也可以。。。真的。。。不过貌似占领华尔街,既没有反国家也没有暴力。。。也被美帝军警强制撤离了吧。。。请告诉我。。。这事儿不是真的。。。是中国人抹黑美帝。。。是假的吧。。。只要你说俺就信。。。请你说是假的。。。你说吧。。。 三哥是挺好的。。。哪只称上的小猴都比俺好一万倍。。。所以俺同意你的观点。。。你还是想办法说服三哥相信吧。。。

    • 教你个乖。。。过程不重要。。。关键是能不能达到你要的结果。。。所以抗不抗议的形式不重要。。。你能达到目的吗。。。要知道。。。共。产 。党也是从抗议搞学潮罢工起家的。。。后来如何你知道的。。。

      • 我该 收你SB好呢?还是说你是五毛好呢?尼玛一说就美国美国。。。。三句不离美国。。美国关我吊事。。。去你吗的美国,,傻逼

        • 不提超级大国美帝,难道提印度吗。。。你也在三泰虎待了些日子了。。。三哥对自己国家怎么看,印度国家是什么状况你不知道吗。。。 和中国等级差不多的国家还有那些。。。加拿大?。。。澳洲?。。。国土面积都不小。。。但人口加一起顶1个上海,俩北京。。。你觉得有可比性吗。。。 如果西方皿煮没有个像样的样板。。。俺们凭什么走这条路啊。。。对吗。。。难道我们是为了国家乱掉,人民饿死,混的都在户外大便才要搞西方皿煮的吗。。。 都说过了。。。皿煮中国有。。。形式不同而已。。。一人一票直选不行。。。为什么?。。。就是因为作为选民你满嘴脏素质不够。。。俺也不认为自己够标准。。。知道吗。。。

        • 还有你是不是给带沟里了。。。是欺负我不会骂人吗。。。还是你确定真理在你身边?第一:我说自己人一句脑残我都觉得心酸。你不懂。第二:我的修养不允许我肆意放纵自己。第三:就事儿论事儿,我不认为带几个脏字就能达到我想要的结果。שדגי חללם 虽然也对我说脏话。。。但他既然是站在中国人立场对外的。。。又都是孩子。。。那我能容就容了。。。人民内部矛盾我吃亏我认了。。。 你和他不同。。。虽然你说你也是为了中国好。。。但是但分有脑子的人都知道,发展中国家搞西方皿煮都没好结果。。。无数的例子摆在那儿。。。多的都淤了。。。你还在叫嚣。。。你要不是真脑残。。。就是别有用心。。。

  17. 显然我已经习惯了中国护照,所以认为申请签证是天经地义的事情。护照是护照,签证是签证,又不是加拿大公民,凭毛要人家给你开绿灯?有几个国家是需要过境签证的,所以出行之前一定要注意。我还记得有一次去越南出差,随性有位爷按照领队的要求办了护照,上飞机之前才发现没有签证。越南的签证啊?当天就能拿到手的东西,但是没有就不能过海关,没啥好说的。

    • 现在中国的待遇比印度更差呢,不信自己查查印度护照免签国和中国护照免签国?印度去韩国都能免签,中国只有几个非洲国家可以免签

  18. ChaitanyaI personally do not agree with this blog of Mr.Jug `Suriya .I never faced such problem while travelling in Europe and US with an Indian passport.The case quoted by the writer may be some specific and one can not make a negative view on this as no body knows the reality . If it is an International flight to US through Canada, you don\’t need a Canadian visa. Only if you disembark in Canada even for few hours and then take another domestic flight from Canada to US you will be required to have a Visa.What is wrong with this not able to understand?Actually speaking we Indians try to mislead and misinterpret the law of the foreign land.This is true that extra security is being taken in the case of Indian,but this may have some exceptions and can not be applied for all .Indians run the economy world over. Imagine if Indians were withdrawn from US, Canada, Gulf and similar countries, there economies will go at least a decade behind. We all indians must remain united in case of any problem .个人不认同博主Jug Suriya先生的说法。我拿着印度护照去欧美时,从未遇到此类问题。这个案例可能是特例,不足以给出负面定论。如果是搭乘过境加拿大前往美国的国际航班,你不需要持加拿大签证。如果你在加拿大机场停留几个小时,转搭另一个国内航班前往美国,那么你需要持有加拿大签证。这有什么错吗,有那么难理解吗?实际上是我们印度人在误解外国法律。的确存在针对印度人的特别安检。印度人把生意做到全世界。想象一下,要是印度人从美国、加拿大、海湾国家等撤出,他们的经济至少倒退十年。遇到问题时,我们印度人必需团结一致。阿三你好自信奥

  19. 人家加拿大、芬兰看不起你,就说明人家有这个资本,生气和报复只会令自己国家的处境更糟。能做的就是,增强自己的实力,等你国家强大了,就有选择羞辱作为回敬了。。。清醒清醒吧,弱国无外交,你以为西方国家听你谈***就尊重你,错,人家只会打量你的导弹和美元。

  20. 其实三哥说的也有理,会说英语就认为高人一等,这样的心态在国内也存在,好端端的国语不学,学什么英语,我敢打赌,英语将来绝对会从中国教育舞台上慢慢走下台,不久的将来,英语会成为选修课,而不是必修课,甚至是退出高考舞台,而条件仅仅是中国成为第一,我想这一天不会太遥远……

    • 对,有的人英文说不溜,还非得在中文里加几个英文单词才显得高端,比如:我要去TOILET啊,你的Clothes很好看,我要去Cinema啊,听着就让人恶心

  21. 阿三来中国吧,在中国,洋大爷是一等公民,不管这洋大爷是黑的还是白的,也不管在他的国家是要饭的还是个个流氓,只有来了中国,就是拥有特权的一等公民,连官老爷都不敢惹,我大中国向来是对外友好,对内蛮横的!!!

  22. Srinivasan GopalaraoIndia is a Feudal land with a facade of democracy . We were kept backward by idiotic concepts of socialism which were fed to us but in reality it was feudalism印度是一个戴着皿煮面具的封建国家。我们被灌输社会主义思想,导致一直落后其他国家,实际上那些是封建主义思想。???? ???? 。。。俺虽然也不认为自己句句都是靠谱的话,都对。。。但和这个三哥比。。。俺很负责的说。。。俺说话太靠谱了。。。

  23. 俺们和加拿大芬兰同是皿煮国家,并且俺们还是世界上最大的皿煮大国,为啥俺们就是三等,俺们不就是长得黑点、贱民多点、智商低点、厕所少点、平民窟多点、、、、、有本事跟俺们比嘴炮,看你们谁不服

  24. 看了印度网友的留言,这不知这些网友在印度属于什么阶层,但分明看到了一个封建社会众生对一个明君的渴望,号称皿煮自由现代民族国家的印度在精神领域的确有着显明的农业文明特质。

  25. 为什么有规则不去遵守。这就是为什么人家把你们排在第三世界的原因。你不去尊重别人,他们也可以把你们排在第三世界甚至更远。