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【评论续】最近在印度一个论坛上发了一个帖子,收到很多回复(2)

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译者samzhanglei:最近关注了三泰虎的论坛,感觉很多印度人对中国的看法就是专制,警察国家,没有皿煮自由。所以专门发了一篇帖子到印度论坛上,收到了一部分印度网友的回复,分享给大家。

(注:由于上一篇有些长,为了方便大家查看更新的评论部分,所以另开一篇】


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刚收到一个澳大利亚人的回复,给了一个链接评论中国和印度哪个好,目前中国21%,印度79%。。。是因为咱们的网民都不上英文的网站。。。

Chinese tend to believe Mount Everest is the natural boundary between China and India.

While Indians believe they can succeed every rights Britain left.

1962 war is the result.

澳大利亚人说中国认为喜马拉雅山是中印的自然边界,印度人却相信英国人留下来的所有权利,1962年战争是结果。

Indians serious believe Chinese has no human rights, China is a police country, CCP can kill everyone if they want.

印度人十分相信中国人没有人权,中国是个警察国家,共产党可以杀任何想杀的人。

Chinese serious believe Indian's Democracy is a joke, just like Philippine or any poor democratic countries. They prefer to have a better living condition rather than a poor community with only democracy left.

中国人十分相信印度的民主是个笑话,就像菲律宾或者任何穷的民主国家。他们喜欢更好的生活环境而不是一个穷的只剩下民主的地方。

Let stats say

http://country-facts.findthebest.com/compare/12-122/China-vs-India

让我们在这儿投票吧

somhing interesting here. i thought democratic country has less crimes
2013 Homicide china 13,410 homicides india 42,923 homicides

一些有趣的事儿: 我认为民主国家犯罪更少,2013中国的杀人案件是13410起,而印度杀人案是42,923起。。。
比较中肯。大家有空投下票吧

有三哥回复:

We don't have any problem with China or Chinese. We also respect China for what she have achieved.

我们跟中国和中国人没有任何问题。我们也尊重中国取得的成就。

But we have some problem with her tactics of land grab. It's true even if you try to negate it. Many terrorist organisations run on Chinese arms. Again, I can't help it if you say its a false information.

但是我们对她抢夺土地的战略有意见。这是真的,即使你们否认。许多恐怖分子受中国军方资助。还有,如果你认为这些是假消息,我啥也不说了。

Finally, Welcome to the forum!

最后欢迎来到论坛。

楼主心想:大部分恐怖分子是中国资助的。。。你让美国大叔情何以堪?我就认为是假消息。。。

我回复他:

If I replied you, I think it is false information. The biggest terrist is Taliban, which is founded by America. We suffered the terrist Dongtu a lot.

Thank you. We can discuss in future.

如果让我回复你,我认为这是假消息,最大的恐怖组织是塔利班,塔利班是美国资助的。我们也是东突恐怖主义的受害者。谢谢你,我们接下来再讨论。

接下来的另一位:

First India or Indian don't have any problem with China or Chinese

You point that India worship Western Countries is totally wrong and you should read history and read about who supported USA against Russia.

India always stand with her friends

We don't care what Western Countries will do or think if we oppose them.

India's stand on WTO is a proof that India care about its citizen first than any other thing like China.

I personally like China more than USA or any western country.

Democracy is good for us and we are proud of it. Communist like China will not work for us.

首先印度或者印度人和中国或者中国人没有任何问题。你的观点认为印度崇拜西方是国家是非常错误的。并且你应该去读下历史,去读关于是谁支持美国反对俄国(苏联?)。印度一直站在朋友的立场,我们不关心西方国家会做什么,或者认为我们是否反对他们。印度加入WTO 证明印度首先关心它的国民超过其他东西,就像是中国。我个人喜欢中国多于美国或者其他任何西方国家。民主对我们是好的并且我感到骄傲。中国的共产主义对于印度是无效的。

But i oppose China's behavior with most of its neighbors about land and sea. We want a good friendship with China (Because India-China-Russia is future of this world). But if China want to grab Arunachal Pradesh or Ladak area then keep dreaming and supporting Pakistan

但是我反对中国在海洋和土地上对邻居们的表现。我们希望和中国有很好的友谊(因为中印俄三国是世界的未来)但是如果中国想要夺取阿鲁纳恰尔邦或者拉达克地区,继续做这种梦,并且支持巴基斯坦。

(楼主觉得这算是友好的印度三哥,只是边界问题可不是友好就能解决的,印度人认为我们政府没公开信息,对于边界问题。但是昨天的那个特开明的大叔今天告诉我,其实印度政府和报纸从来就没有公开和中国的一份秘密合同--关于藏南和边界的。等会儿再更到那里)

我跟他解释了一下我为什么来到这些论坛说这些话,因为我在三泰虎论坛看到了许多印度人的评论:

For the Western, I saw many comments to propagate the democracy somebody even hates Gandhi and thanks British there. I think it is like

some Chinese young men, they are called "angry youth" in China. They hated everything not because they did not love the Country, they are just easy to be angry and to be affected by lies. They can not distinguish..

For territory problem, we really have a lot of territory problems with our Neighours. But you can not judge we are wrong because we have a lot of territory problems, it is history problem. If the government agreed, Chinese people can not. Even Chairman Mao our first Chairman, he signed to make Outter Mongolia be independent due to the Soviet Union's pressure, he is also blamed by our people. Do you know in Taiwan, they still do not admit Mongolia is a "Country", they treat it like a Province. You media can not make you know that.

对于西方,我看过很多印度人评论,他们宣传民主,一些人甚至讨厌甘地,感谢英国。我想这些人大概就像中国的一些年轻人一样,被称作愤青。他们讨厌所有的东西,不是因为他们不爱自己的国家,他们只是易怒,容易受到谣言挑拨,缺乏分辨力。

对于领土问题,我们确实有和邻居有很多领土之争,但是你们不能断定因为我们有很多领土问题就说我们是错误的。 领土问题很多都是历史问题,即使政府同意(领土),中国人民也不答应。即使是迫于苏联压力承认外蒙独立到现在也是受人指责。你知道在台湾,仍旧不承认蒙古是个国家,他们对待蒙古为一个省,这些你们的媒体知道吗?
(希望不会被河蟹。。)

又一位印度网友回复:

its not china or the Chinese people that we have a problem with ,

its the Chinese government and their foreign policy that's the problem

Even I want to come to china and see Beijing someday

you better give me a tour

我们不是对中国或者中国人民有意见,我们是对中国政府和它的外交政策有意见。

甚至我去过中国到过北京。你可以给我旅游指南。

我回复:很高兴听你来过中国,以后可以给你推荐旅游的地方。

(政府也是我们的政府。。。)

Every Country has its own benifit. Nowmatterhow, we need to support our government. Welcome, if you come I will give you some advice on tour. It is cool weather in China now, very proper for travelings.

每一个国家都有自我利益,不管怎样,我们都需要支持自己的政府。欢迎,如果你来我会给你旅游意见。现在的天气凉爽,非常适合旅游。

终于,喜闻乐见的愤青来了:

Does anyone cares what Chinese are upto with respect to the world. All Indians care about is the Chinese provocations... Nothing more Nothing less.

有任何人关心中国是否让世界尊重?所有印度人只关心中国的挑衅,其他的一概不关心。

我有点气愤,还是禁不住挑衅:

Just like you said Indians think China provocations you, we Chinese also think you provocations us. It is lack of communication. Usually, we do not believe the The official rhetoric.

就像你说的印度人认为中国挑衅你们,我们中国人同样认为你们挑衅我们。这是缺乏交流,通常我们(中国人)不怎么相信官方的外交辞令。

接下来又有人说:

first of all welcome to the forum.

after reading ur post i wonder what makes u think that indians hate china honestly speaking we have only problem with ur claim on our arunachal and ladakh and ur policy of containing india through pakistan bangladesh and sri lanka. why u peoples always live in past bearing a sense of victimhood and humiliation. i see chinese always complaining that that japanese did this to us, americans did that to us. just move on guys we cant change past at that era whole of the humanity was mad we should learn from the mistakes of that era but it is not any point in taking revenge with the present generation.

首先欢迎你来到论坛,读了你的帖子,我想知道什么让你认为印度人讨厌中国?老实地说我们只对你们关于我们阿鲁纳恰尔和达拉克的宣称有意见,还有你们对于含有印度和巴基斯坦和孟加拉,斯里兰卡的政策有意见。为什么你们的人总是活在过去,带着屈辱和受害者的意识, 我看到很多中国人总是抱怨日本人过去对我们做了什么,美国人对我们做了什么。要向前看,我们不能改变过去,在那个年代,整个人类都疯了。我们应该从错误中吸取那个年代的经验,但是不要让这一代老想着复仇。

i personally admire china for the progress they have made. unlike west the chinese wealth is trully result of their hardwork whereas the european and american wealth is acquired through colonisation, war, and loot.

but as u r gaining wealth and power u r also running on the footprints of the west bullying the nations around u and trying to establish hegemony favouring ur trade and conditions. and at last there are not only peoples from this side who r telling bad about u but people from ur sides also makes bad comments on india. and their comments are just racist and humiliating. u peoples have started thinking that u r some kind of superior race. and then u complain about past and others.

so man chill our governments are doing right things to stability and peace and thank god they are not dumb like the internet community like us.

i like ur comment about religion and i also think so.

我个人尊重中国取得的进步。不像西方,中国的财富是辛勤劳动来的成果,而欧美的财富是通过殖民,战争和抢夺得来的。
但是随着你们变得富裕和强大,你们也在走欧洲的老路,欺辱周围的国家去建立霸权来支撑你们的贸易和条件。

最后,不光是印度有人说你们坏的地方,你们的人同样对印度有坏的评论。而且他们的评论非常有种族主义和侮辱性。 你们的人认为你们是高等级的种族,然后抱怨过去和其他。

所以哥们冷静下,我们的政府正做着正确的事情来保持稳定与和平,还有我喜欢你关于宗教的帖子,我也这么认为的。
这哥们比较理性。但他不明白中国人并不是仅仅因为过去日本犯的罪抓着不放,想着复仇。

实际上是因为日本人从来没有承认他们的错误,这样很危险,没准有一天军国主义完全复活,

再找一个我们不备的时刻来攻击我们。

我回复他:

Yes I admit many people in China had bad comments on India too, sorry about it. So I want to discuss here and feedback to change this situation.

是的,我承认中国很多人关于印度的评论很不好,我很抱歉。所以我想通过讨论和反馈来改变这一现象。

We do not forgot past, because if forgot, it means betray. For this point, Israel does better. And it is like what I said, Japan does not admit what they did completely, they writes in their books for students like this: it is not a invading, it is a communication. They brought us advanced economy and education, they did not killed people, they were just killed because of war... They did not rape women, did not use people to do Chemical experiments, all are made up by us. It is why we Chinese, Koreans and other southeast Countries are angery. If they did like Germany,

我们不会忘记过去,忘记过去意味着背叛。关于这一点以色列做的更好。还有就像我说的,日本根本不承认他们的罪行,他们在教科书上这样写,那不是侵略战争,那是交流。他们给我们带来经济和教育的进步,他们没有杀我们的人民,那些人只是死于战争。他们没有QJ妇女,没有用人来做化学实验,所有一切都是我们编造的。

这就是为什么我们中国人,韩国人还有其他东南亚人对日本这么生气。如果

why we hate them so much? In 1945, how many war criminals of Japanese were hang? It was judgment by UN, not by ourselves.
We look out what Japanese Uyoku dantai now, they propagate their militarism always, how Asian people believe them?

他们和德国人做的一样,我们为什么还这么痛恨。在1945年,多少日本战犯被绞死?

这是联合国的审判,不是仅仅我们。我们应警惕日本右翼团体,他们一直在宣扬他们的军国主义,亚洲人民怎么才能相信他们?

抨击又来了,又一位印度网友评论道:

what you do with tiawan or japan is your problem.. you people had stolen our land and had backstabbed us in 1962... so until the land will be free... this hate and enemity will be there is indians for you...

你们对台湾或日本怎么做是你们的问题。你们的人偷了我们的土地,并在1962年卑劣地偷袭了我们。所以到现在土地是自由的(??),印度人民对于你们的这种讨厌和敌对会一直在那儿。

when we need quality products we make them or buy them from western nation.. why buy a qyality thing from a junk creating nation...

当我们需要质量好的东西,我们生产或者购买自西方,为什么买自垃圾制造国度?

you has said a lot of BS and I am not bothering with all of that... I have a problem with your nation for its greed for other's land and I will have this till your nation's withdrawal from Indian lands.

你说到很多佛教徒,我不讨厌这些。我对于你们国家贪婪掘取别人家的土地有意见,我会一直保持这种意见直到你们国家从这些印度人的土地撤出。

on british and american fallowing... we don't fallow them.. when civilisations comes in contact they effect each other... you talk like there is no macD or KFC in whole china and you people are still eating rice with insect's topping.. so just don't try to lecture us.

关于跟随英美,我们并没有跟随他们。当文明交流时,我们互相影响。你说你们中国没有麦当劳和肯德基?你们的人仍旧吃大米就昆虫脑袋?所以别在这里给我们宣讲这些。

your nation has killed thousands of students for demanding democracy... and muslims are not allowed to practice their religion and do roja in their holy month and you are talking about minorities.

你们的国家杀了上千追求民主的学生,穆斯林不允许参加他们的宗教和在他们的圣月里做礼拜,并且你们你说到少数名族。(蛋也用来这么扯。。)

what japan did to you is the same what you are doing to muslims and tibbatis... so don't weep on it.

日本人对你们做的你们同样对穆斯林和西藏人做过,不要清除这些。

british did some good things here... but we are not throwing our lot with them... if you forgot I like to remind you when your nation was in USSR camp and licking its boot.. India has the courage and will to create NAM.

英国在这里也做了同样的事情。。。但是我们没向他们仍我们的东西,如果你忘了我可以提醒你,当你们的国家在苏联阵营舔他们的鞋子的时候,印度有勇气并制造不结盟运动。

on our science developments... your state controlled media is not going to tell you the truth.. they teach propaganda to you so no need to explain it...

关于我们的科学发展,你们国家控制媒体不会告诉你们真相,他们教你们宣传并不解释给你们真相。

just don't lecture us on anything... you are just a communist you want to show the world how rich and prosperous he is.. which is irony as both are opposite thing.

别来宣扬任何东西,你只是个共产主义者来向世界展示你们多么富裕和有前景
讽刺的是事实都是相反的。

so I suggest that you sort out your own shit.. and if you ever used slave word,here... I will personally define how pathetic slave you and all chinise are and will be,

be nice or just.........

所以我建议你挑出你的大粪,如果你在这里用过奴隶词语,我会个人确定你多么的奴性和所有的中国人都是这样。
要么友好,要么。。。

又一典型愤青。

(未完待续)

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